Bill Nye the Science Guy appeared on Fox Business Monday to discuss climate change in the aftermath of Hurricane Irene.
Yesterday, Fox, a network which openly opposes the notion of man-caused climate change, invited Bill Nye the Science Guy on air to discuss hurricane Irene’s relationship to climate change.
I would have liked to have heard a whole conversation on the topic, but because Fox anchors don’t usually conduct interviews or conversations so much as mini verbal fights, Payne quickly lead Nye to another topic.
After showing a clip of Al Gore using the example of racism to explain how fighting climate change will require scientifically informed individuals to “win the conversation” over climate deniers, Payne asks, “Does it help the argument on climate change to always bring in racism, or to sort of just denigrate anyone who might just have an inkling that maybe this stuff doesn’t exist?”
Rather than evading Payne’s left-field question, as public figures often do, Nye obliges him with a colorful answer which both extrapolates on Gore’s points and brings the conversation back around to climate change and why we should acknowledge its existence.
Watching Payne interview Nye was a little bit like watching a precocious 8 year-old play the devil’s advocate game with his parents. The race question was meant to confuse and distract the audience from the topic at hand, not advance their understanding of it. Thankfully, Nye remained a few steps ahead.
August 30, 2011 at 7:35 pm, Alec Sevins said:
Climate deniers are going to be seen as some of the biggest criminals in human history. Actually, they already are, but it hasn’t quite sunk in with the drooling masses who think Fox News is educating them.
August 31, 2011 at 12:44 am, Anonymous said:
Ha. ”Climate Deniers: some of the biggest criminals in human history.” First off, are you talking about thought crime? Secondly, we use uranium tipped bullets, which are giving a generation of Iraqi’s cancer, yet those of us unconvinced by a relatively small data set are evil? Get a clue, read some history, and count your blessings the planet isn’t getting colder. Sheesh.
September 01, 2011 at 9:00 pm, Lesley Tivendale said:
Hotter or colder, what the difference? Humans cant live in either extreme. So why would hotter be better than colder?
August 30, 2011 at 7:54 pm, 451JC said:
Excerpt from James Delingpole article in the Telelgraph…
The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth.The research, published with little fanfare this week in the prestigious journal Nature, comes from über-prestigious CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, one of the world’s largest centres for scientific research involving 60 countries and 8,000 scientists at more than 600 universities and national laboratories. CERN is the organization that invented the World Wide Web, that built the multi-billion dollar Large Hadron Collider, and that has now built a pristinely clean stainless steel chamber that precisely recreated the Earth’s atmosphere.In this chamber, 63 CERN scientists from 17 European and American institutes have done what global warming doomsayers said could never be done — demonstrate that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules that in Earth’s atmosphere can grow and seed clouds, the cloudier and thus cooler it will be. Because the sun’s magnetic field controls how many cosmic rays reach Earth’s atmosphere (the stronger the sun’s magnetic field, the more it shields Earth from incoming cosmic rays from space), the sun determines the temperature on Earth.
August 30, 2011 at 8:34 pm, JRM said:
You think its news that the sun is the biggest factor in determining the temperature here, or anywhere in the universe? No shit. Weather cycles, ice ages happen. No one is denying that temperature is affected by things other than humans.
The ignorance is in denying that humans are influencing the change. The science proves a hundred times over that the atmospheric abuse that we have ramped up many many times over in the last 100+ years can and absolutely is having an effect. The global ecosystem is not unlike any other. It can self correct to a point, but the scales will tip eventually.
August 30, 2011 at 8:34 pm, JRM said:
You think its news that the sun is the biggest factor in determining the temperature here, or anywhere in the universe? No shit. Weather cycles, ice ages happen. No one is denying that temperature is affected by things other than humans.
The ignorance is in denying that humans are influencing the change. The science proves a hundred times over that the atmospheric abuse that we have ramped up many many times over in the last 100+ years can and absolutely is having an effect. The global ecosystem is not unlike any other. It can self correct to a point, but the scales will tip eventually.
August 31, 2011 at 12:38 am, Anonymous said:
Climate change is a huge distraction and a “blame-shift” from the global corporate elite to the world’s poor. It also takes advantage of our natural megalomaniac tendencies. Preservation of rain forests, water pollution, and the disastrous effects of fracking should be our priorities, since they are verifiably caused by multinational corporations (all of which are posting record profits). Will progressive/non-establishment sources like Death + Taxes please help reframe the argument? Climate change is a smoke screen and a boogeyman that distracts us from going after the real bad guys, not to mention making us (workers of the world) feel ashamed for breathing and going to work.
Besides, can we all just heave a sigh of relief that the world isn’t getting colder? I know a land bridge between Russia and the U.S. would be dynamite, but nothing is scarier for our the human race than another ice age. If change is a constant, I’m happier with it going towards the warmer side of things…
August 31, 2011 at 4:33 am, 451jc said:
Kudos, Mr. Hulsy.
September 01, 2011 at 5:33 pm, Kit Vaq said:
Be careful what you wish for. Global warming still means the extinction of many species, plants, animals and humans in different parts of the world and the rise of death and disease everywhere. It includes more wars due to fighting over resources like water and more climate disasters.
Imagine your location gets summers that are 110+ and increase that 10 degrees or more. What would your summers be like? Imagine your world depends on winters for its ice and snow to survive, but those extra degrees prevent freezing and instead create more flooding. You’re in big trouble no matter where you will be on this planet.
Climate change effects the entire globe and US corporations, especially gas, oil companies, etc., and those that pollute know what global warming is and that they are contributing to the problem. They just don’t care and they definitely don’t care about poor people. They care more for profits than they do about people and any living thing.
Fighting for the environment takes many levels. So if your cause is against fracking or pollution, helping save rain forests, the oceans, animals, birds, fish, trees, etc., you’re still helping the planet. It’s all connected and we are all connected. We only have one Mother Earth and she provides for all our basic needs. If she hurts in any area, we all feel it sooner or later and wind up hurting too.
August 31, 2011 at 12:38 am, Anonymous said:
Climate change is a huge distraction and a “blame-shift” from the global corporate elite to the world’s poor. It also takes advantage of our natural megalomaniac tendencies. Preservation of rain forests, water pollution, and the disastrous effects of fracking should be our priorities, since they are verifiably caused by multinational corporations (all of which are posting record profits). Will progressive/non-establishment sources like Death + Taxes please help reframe the argument? Climate change is a smoke screen and a boogeyman that distracts us from going after the real bad guys, not to mention making us (workers of the world) feel ashamed for breathing and going to work.
Besides, can we all just heave a sigh of relief that the world isn’t getting colder? I know a land bridge between Russia and the U.S. would be dynamite, but nothing is scarier for our the human race than another ice age. If change is a constant, I’m happier with it going towards the warmer side of things…
August 30, 2011 at 8:29 pm, Jordan Tarango said:
It’s funny how he talks to Fox News. He talks to them like 3rd graders,and they still don’t get it.
August 30, 2011 at 8:29 pm, Jordan Tarango said:
It’s funny how he talks to Fox News. He talks to them like 3rd graders,and they still don’t get it.
August 30, 2011 at 8:29 pm, Jordan Tarango said:
It’s funny how he talks to Fox News. He talks to them like 3rd graders,and they still don’t get it.
August 30, 2011 at 10:51 pm, 451JC said:
No shit, no one is denying human contribution to global climate change. The article is simply more (and new from CERN) information to provide perspective. Chill…go layout and get a tan!
August 31, 2011 at 2:52 am, Anonymous said:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/ConCERN-Trolling-on-Cosmic-Rays-Clouds-and-Climate-Change.html
August 31, 2011 at 5:22 am, Brad Arnold said:
Soon it won’t matter if people deny the relationship between our greenhouse gas emissions and global warming because there is a new clean energy technology that is 1/10th the cost of dirty coal.
Don’t believe me? Watch this video by a Nobel prize winner in physics: http://pesn.com/2011/06/23/9501856_Nobel_laureate_touts_E-Cat_cold_fusion/
Still don’t believe me? It convinced the Swedish Skeptics Society: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece
LENR using nickel. Incredibly: Ni+H+KCO3(heated under pressure)=Cu+lots of heat.
Still don’t believe me? A major US corporation has bought the rights to sell the 1 megawatt Rossi E-Cat, and it will be announced late October in the US, with the unit hitting the market in November. How can any fossil fuel compete with such cheap energy (and clean to boot!).
By the way, here is a current survey of all the companies that are bringing LENR to commercialization: http://www.cleantechblog.com/2011/08/the-new-breed-of-energy-catalyzers-ready-for-commercialization.html
August 31, 2011 at 7:57 am, Barblze said:
I cannot believe you even acknowledged this story. You Disqus know if you put all the brains at Fox together, you would not have one full brain.
August 31, 2011 at 12:52 pm, Else7en said:
bad journalism versus junk science.retired football player interviews childrens television host.and all over gore answering questions drunk
August 31, 2011 at 1:15 pm, Anonymous said:
The average Fox News viewer takes away from this segment that global warming is probably real, but is caused by people from Papua New Guinea having sex with dachshunds.
September 01, 2011 at 5:48 pm, JMA said:
“The average Fox News viewer takes away from this segment that global warming is probably real, but is caused by people from Papua New Guinea having sex with dachshunds”
That’s probably because the average Fox news viewer is pretty clueless about everything in general.
September 03, 2011 at 2:09 pm, Bill322220 said:
JMA you do not even know how nature makes glaciers. Dummy! How many degrees do you lose when you travel up in the atmosphere..JMA? GW creates glaciers it does not melt them. What is the most dangerous greenhouse gas? It is not co2 stupid! It is clouds. And, when you heat the oceans what happen…silly JMA. Go Study
September 01, 2011 at 5:10 pm, Amber Tuu said:
This is really funny! I love Bill Nye!
September 01, 2011 at 5:10 pm, Debra Lynn Williamson said:
Love it!!
September 01, 2011 at 7:43 pm, Oldtimer said:
Fox News is a joke,and a Bad joke at that.
September 01, 2011 at 9:43 pm, Andrew Carvin said:
Global warming is real, and humans are causing it with environmental destruction, and pollution. This is a FACT.
“But Andrew, volcanoes put out more pollution than human made pollution sources. Derp Derp Herp Derp.”
All of our lives are at stake, and we cannot continue to lend credence to such dumb statements by repeating them.
Volcanoes, and other sources of “natural pollution,” are not pollution. They are a part of nature’s regular cycle that has been going on for millions of years that has already been accounted for, and adjustments made to accommodate it. That is why volcanoes can erupt without killing everything on the planet.
Human environmental destruction, and pollution is not accounted for, or accommodated by nature. Not only because it has not happened over millions of years, but because of the scope and volume of it.
Pollution is not comparative.
It is additive.
2 + 0 = 2 (Natural Cycle)
2 + 2 = 4 (Natural Cycle + Human Impact)
Our planet is dying, and we will die too if we don’t do something about it.
September 02, 2011 at 9:33 pm, No said:
fanatical dribble – to be intellectually honest, it would go like this
2 + .04 = a little over 2
September 02, 2011 at 8:18 pm, Mepeterser2451 said:
The effect that people have on Earth is natural and “mother nature” will respond. It’s important to remember that human pollution can’t eradicate all life. It will just wreak havoc on our own lives & life that we deem “important” (ie other mammals etc). If you want to live comfortably, relax on your cushioned sofa & succumb to FOX News. If you want to live, heed Bill Nye.
September 03, 2011 at 2:03 pm, bill daniel said:
OK! Global Warming is happening. But do not be ignorant. Global warming is a benefical to man. And, Global Warming creates glaciers. Why? Because it is always cold on top of the mountains. What the glaciers lack is moisture. OK Bill Nyes and And, believe without global warming we would have no rain. And clouds are the most abundant “greenhouse gas.” Please study and do not be stupid.
September 06, 2011 at 5:41 pm, Anonymous said:
Climate is also cyclic. We have a very narrow view, even in the scientific community, regarding how long things take in “earth time” rather than “man time”. We started measuring and recording temperatures around the globe in the recent past (i.e. <100 years). Where you measure also matters as the IPCC has found (temperatures increase in a growing metropolis as the amount of concrete, asphault and bulidings increase regardless of the overall climate — lots of temps. being taken in big cities). The changes over long periods of time (100's and 1,000's of years) cannot be measured and recorded. However, we know from recorded history that there have been numbers of signficant climate changes in the past millenia. We had a medieval "warm" period 1,000 years ago (Greenland was actually settled for several hundred years by Vikings). Then it got much colder for several hundred years (The March across the Belts is recorded in history when an ice bridge formed between Sweden and Denmark during the Northern Wars — Sweden successfully led an army across the ice bridge to attack Denmark).
To take a position that somehow these historically documented 300-500 year swings in climate is a result of human influences is "stupid", not the critcal skepticism of other scientists looking to history and nature for forensic evidence of climate change rather than gov't-backed studies by mathematically inclined climatologists that cannot even get a working model of how clouds affect their models' accuracy or predicition capability.
BTW, science "consensus" typically was considered a bad thing to the science community — just ask Galileo, Copernicus and other scientists that were labeled heretics by the "consensus" of scientists. Science doesn't need things like denigration or rhetoric, that's what politicians need when there's no science to support the proposed budget for your climate research.
It is the blind sheep following shrill voices like Al Gore that will be seen as fools once real science emerges from the blighted IPCC politics.
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