Just a little light, casual news fare for you this Monday morning: Scientists have proved the existence of a “God particle” that confirms the mathematical order of the universe and helps explain the nature of existence. No big whoop.
Scientists have been searching for the Higgs boson, or the “God particle,” for years, and embarked on a new series of tests last year using CERN’s Large Hadron Collider that they said would confirm or disconfirm the particle’s existence this year. AP reports that on Wednesday they’ll officially announce they’ve found proof it exists.
Just about. They haven’t actually observed it. According to the AP:
Instead, experts familiar with the research at CERN’s vast complex on the Swiss-French border say that the massive data they have obtained will essentially show the footprint of the key particle known as the Higgs boson — all but proving it exists — but doesn’t allow them to say it has actually been glimpsed.
AP goes on to note scientists compare their discovery to the fossilized imprint of dinosaur bones: “You see the footprints and the shadow of the object, but you don’t actually see it.”
It’s a momentous discovery with equally large philosophical implications. It’s called the “God particle” because its absence in our knowledge set left critical room for doubt: without it, scientific models from Newtonian physics to Relativity can’t quite explain basic questions, like why matter has mass. If scientists had proved it didn’t exist, we’d have to acknowledge that we don’t truly understand what makes the universe tick. And where you can’t understand, you find faith.
But scientists just made a big leap toward proving we’re not nuts—that the last few hundred years of scientific advancement were based on correct observations of how the universe actually works, and that we’re getting closer to understanding how it all began.
Last year Frank Wilczek, a Nobel laureate and physics professor at MIT, said finding the “God particle” would be “a vindication of the equations we’ve been using all these years.”
July 02, 2012 at 11:40 am, Morning Links - The Daily What said:
[...] Proved: The existence of a “God particle” that confirms the mathematical order of the universe [...]
July 02, 2012 at 3:58 pm, Tristan Twitchell said:
Taking this at face value, I'm reading this picturing somebody out there holding the argument that two plus two does not, in fact, equal four. And that our most brilliant minds won't be able to prove him wrong for another two days. o_O
July 03, 2012 at 4:32 am, Briana Stewart said:
Bahahahaha
July 03, 2012 at 6:53 am, Stan Johnson said:
2+2=22
July 02, 2012 at 4:05 pm, Dave Palmacci said:
Stop calling it the "God Particle" because people are only going to equate it with midichlorians from Star Wars and not bother to read what it actually is. Second, why does every article say; "this particle explains existence!" and then doesn't explain how it explains it. I want to know how it does but no one seems to know either.
July 02, 2012 at 5:18 pm, Julio Mendez said:
I WISH ppl would bring up midochlorians, but I bet ppl would see this as some kind of implication that scientists now believe in God or that his existence is being proven. I can already imagine scientologists changing the name of their e-meter to the god particle meter or xenu particle or w/e
July 02, 2012 at 6:25 pm, Matthew Fowler said:
Well it catches people eyes more than higgs boson, and when you try to explain the higgs field most peoples heads explode. There should have been a caution at the beginning of this.
July 02, 2012 at 11:14 pm, Ross Turner said:
having done no real research yet, this is a Farker's rundown:
"I will probably get part of this wrong, but here is my understanding. Under the Standard Model of Quantum physics, all forces are really particles which interact with with atoms, or parts of atoms. So electricity, magnetism, nuclear forces (strong and weak) and gravity are all caused by the interaction of particles on atoms. The holy grail of physics is to find one theory which explains all 4 forces (nuclear, gravity, etc). Magnetism and electricity were actually explained as different aspects of the same force by a man named Maxwell in the 1860's. The nuclear forces were figured out in the 1920's and 30's, and they were tied to the electro-magnetic theory in 50's thru the 70's. Gravity has not been integrated into this theory. One of the problems with the particle theory of force is why do some things have mass (you, me, stars, planets, etc) while some things don't- light photons, neutrinos, and other exotic things which have been proven to exist but to the best of our measurement (which keeps getting better) do not have mass. For simplistic purposes, consider mass to be what we 'weigh' when we put something on a weight scale. Photons would not ever weigh anything, no matter how massive a planet or sun their weight was measured on. Gravity can affect these items but cannot not make them 'weigh' anything, or more accurately, have any mass. The Higgs Boson is a theoretical particle which would allow this type of behavior to occur. It is that particle which causes things to have mass, at least theoretically, by interacting with atoms or the components of atoms. Scientists were able to predict that IF the Higgs Boson existed it had to be found at a certain energy level. The Large Hadron Collider is the first man made detector capable of producing the energy required to find the Higgs Boson. If they found it within the energy range that theory predicted then it may finally allow physicists to tie gravity to the other forces. If not, then physics has a lot of 'splainin' to do."
So…it's pretty amazing.
July 02, 2012 at 11:18 pm, Ross Turner said:
so it doesn't make everything exist, it allows for everything to exist. but the same could be said for any other fundamental particle, really. so it's more that now we know and have proven the mechanism by which everything exists. from what i've gleaned.
July 03, 2012 at 12:10 am, Skaman Sam Tyler said:
There are populist books and authors that attempt to explain the boson, but Highs' idea is relatively new, but is used as the "missing link" in the Grand Unified Field Theory. Essentially, it explains the relation between mass and gravitational field. It explains why some larger objects weigh less than smaller objet.s – each subatomic particle has a "higgs atrraction"
July 05, 2012 at 3:56 pm, Shana Cuddy said:
I do agree that I find using the terminology "God Particle as problematic" as I think it will indeed make people start thinking there is a supernatural element involved. For instance, in health care, doctors often say that someone's unexpectedly good results are a "medical miracle," and all they usually mean by this is that the person beat really bad odds for suvival, but it's not like it's an actual miracle. There is an explanation (the treatment the patient received) for why they did recover, however unlikely success was. But I have seen SO many fundies argue that anytime a doctor uses that phrase, they automatically mean there is no scientific/medical explanation for how the person got better and they are crediting divine intervention.
July 02, 2012 at 4:25 pm, Walter Jeremy Kreuser said:
You can only take this at face value right now…I'm trying not to get too excited or skeptical…must keep poker face until results are published…
July 02, 2012 at 9:26 pm, Karen Mueller Collins said:
Looks like I'm not going to hell for not believing after all….
July 02, 2012 at 4:29 pm, Will Erdmann said:
Um this is HUGE.
July 11, 2012 at 6:07 pm, Kent Friesen said:
This is interesting… I am confused, however, about what it means. The fact that we can display a fossil or an imprint of this "molecule" but cannot pinpoint the real thing only proves it USED to exist. Finding remains of civilization on mars does not mean there are Martians running around. It means there WERE Martians. This "molecule," though, what is it exactly? What do they suppose it does or was or has anything to do with the universe??
July 11, 2012 at 6:15 pm, Kent Friesen said:
Wow! Wikipedia just mind fucked the shit out of me!! Whaaaa?! 0_o
July 02, 2012 at 4:36 pm, Sam Kedwards said:
Essentially, the higgs boson particle, if found, will prove the existence of the higgs field, a theoretical construct which exists in all of space (the 3 dimensions), in theory this higgs field is the thing which gives quantum particles (eg. quarks and electrons) their mass, therefore explaining einstein's theory of relativity, and the majority of quantum physics; it still doesn't answer other questions however, such as the existence of "dark matter" h.
July 03, 2012 at 1:14 pm, Lori Smith said:
Sam please explain this to me????
July 03, 2012 at 1:56 pm, Charles Kedwards said:
But it does prove that you can get something from nothing
July 02, 2012 at 4:57 pm, Shakezula Tha Mike Rula said:
I'm sorry, is physics anthropology now? Find the fucker and stop hyping what is basically akin to correlational bullshit.
July 02, 2012 at 5:45 pm, Dave Palmacci said:
Amen, science is amazing but when it starts acting like religion I get pissed. I study science to get away from religion.
July 02, 2012 at 9:25 pm, John Eshleman said:
When do they find the Lucifer particle?
July 02, 2012 at 9:47 pm, Nicholas Systad said:
It's not akin to a correlation. It is much more complex than that, if any comparison it is much more akin to solving a math problem with a missing variable.. and I have doubt we will ever pinpoint any particle like this without more $$ some decades and luck.
July 03, 2012 at 12:59 am, Aston Wooller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808
This is a more professional article.
July 03, 2012 at 3:27 am, Spencer Langley said:
I've read that most physicists dislike the term "God particle" and that it was basically coined by journalists…
but I have yet to see solid proof scientists even exist, only footprints resembling those which would be consistant with a being such as we hypothesize a scientist to be.
July 02, 2012 at 6:11 pm, Ryan Black said:
No matter what they prove God created all things. I don't understand why people fight over if it is either evolution or God. If it is in existence, whether or not it is evolution, God created it. I want to see man create the beauty of the earth, the innocence of a child, or any other great thing that takes our breath away. Someone can create a painting of the mountains but who created the real thing? GOD!
July 02, 2012 at 7:53 pm, Charles Landy said:
Keep your fairy tales to yourself. Adults are talking.
July 02, 2012 at 8:23 pm, Michael Schoenhut said:
God is an analogy for that which transcends human understanding.
July 02, 2012 at 9:14 pm, Ryan Black said:
Why do you have to be disrespectful, at least start an debate why you believe other wise. If you claim the adults are talking then please act like one. Last time I remember people acting like you for no reason was when I was in high school. At least my belief enriches my life and excites me, while your life is and will always be empty.
July 02, 2012 at 9:17 pm, Charles Landy said:
I find it hilarious to be called disrespectful by someone who started a discussion by saying everyone who believes differently than he does is wrong.
July 02, 2012 at 9:45 pm, Jor Dan said:
LOL @Charles Landy
July 02, 2012 at 9:49 pm, Nicholas Systad said:
^ and on top of that you called him disrespectful then told him his life will always be empty because he isn't having his life enriched by the same belief you are. You're being passive aggressive and disrespectful yourself from the start, don't play the victim.
July 02, 2012 at 9:56 pm, Jennifer Peaslee said:
Ryan, the problem here is that you want people to accept what you're asying with absolutely no proof/logic/reason/evidence to support your ideas. You've made it pretty clear that you're not willing to listen to anyone's argument, so why would we listen to yours…?
July 02, 2012 at 10:52 pm, Amelia Bedeilia said:
Because we are men of science Ryan, and you come in here spouting your religious propaganda. It is you who are being disrespectful. We haven't overcome 2,000 years of prejudice and religion-fueled wars for nothing – dwell on that for a while. You won't see an atheist kill a man for being homosexual. Nor will you see one bombing another nation for the simple fact that they have a dogma different than yours.
The point is, if you're going to deliberately spark a debate, then be prepared to take the bad and the good, instead of crying foul whenever someone inevitably takes offense.
July 02, 2012 at 11:07 pm, Paul Cutlip said:
We've had the debate over and over, you guys keep losing. It's like arguing with people who think the Earth is flat. Reason does't persuade you so there's no sense in arguing. And my life is quite fulfilling thank you.
July 02, 2012 at 11:35 pm, Allison Bridges said:
The key bit of fail in all of this is "believe." You NEED to believe in God. People don't NEED to "believe" in science.
July 02, 2012 at 11:52 pm, Amelia Bedeilia said:
Uh…what? I'm afraid I don't understand…I think it's the other way around. You rather need to believe in gravity. You don't need to believe in an invisible magic entity.
July 02, 2012 at 11:56 pm, Nicholas Systad said:
Amelia, I believe what Allison was trying to get at is that in order for religion to be relevant you need to believe in it, however science is relevant whether or not you believe in it. apologize if I'm off Allison
July 02, 2012 at 11:59 pm, Amelia Bedeilia said:
Gotcha. :p Sorry for the confusion!
July 03, 2012 at 12:39 am, Will Crolla said:
What I really don't understand is why there has to be such a big distinction between religion and science. I don't see why the two can't coexist without people bashing one or the other. The quote "And where you can’t understand, you find faith." is completely false as there are many things than can be understood that you can have faith in, for example (mind you a very average one), having faith in a sports team to win a championship. Faith doesn't exist because people don't understand, it exists because humans have emotions, also it is not limited to religious people, anyone can have faith. What angers me most about these comments are the ignorance of both the people in favour of religion and the people who are against it. For example, Amelia, the stance of the Roman Catholic Church is not against gays, it is against gay marriage, and not because they think it is wrong but actually for a scientific reason (whoa! religion and science together, that's impossible! not at all.) and that is because it does not produce natural offspring which was believed to be essential to a marriage in Biblical times. Sadly however, there is definitely a very large number of religious people who are against gays because they think it's wrong. As well as this, most of the homophobes I know are atheist and every gay I know is Christian. But on the same side a valid point has been mad in saying that religious people do tend to be very close minded (though this is not the case in all religious people, more the older generation but not entirely). I myself am Christian but I cannot stand most religious people or organized faith because it is so close minded and can be extremely discriminatory. Really, I just want to keep the peace so would you please all stop fighting over something as useless as this. People believe different things, you don't have to insult each other's beliefs and effectively each other because you don't agree.
July 03, 2012 at 12:44 am, Allison Bridges said:
Yes, thank you
July 03, 2012 at 12:48 am, Allison Bridges said:
Yes, Nicholas, thank you
July 03, 2012 at 12:54 am, Amelia Bedeilia said:
Go ask Italian filmmaker Sabina Guzzanti, whom was thrown in jail for actively voicing her disapproval of the Catholic church's treatment of gays, which includes JAILING gays who try to picket for equal rights. Pope Ratzinger himself was the one who put intense pressure on the Italian government to prosecute her. Yeah, real kind and righteous of him.
And you honestly think that they're not intentionally touting the whole "can't have pre-marital sex" angle as innocuous, when they know fully well that gays can't get married and have no intention of supporting gay marriage in the slightest?
The world is sad enough as it is with the way people are treated. It does no good to ignore it, or ignorantly make up your own truth about it.
July 03, 2012 at 12:58 am, Allison Bridges said:
Totally off topic for a moment, but Amelia Bedelia! Your display name just registered in my brain… I loved it, I read it, and I just had to say hi to the only other person I've ever encountered who has mentioned it. Done now
July 03, 2012 at 1:01 am, Will Crolla said:
You forget that one man is not the church, I never said he was righteous and I also spoke against organized religion. You seem to base every religious person's values on one the few. As well as this you seem to forming a sort of truth yourself, by trying to make religion sound evil, I do not think that they are using the "can't have pre-marital sex" issue to out and out persecute gays, only evil people intentionally would do that so unless you are implying religious people are evil your point is next to invalid. I meant only to keep the peace but I realize I'm not so my apologies, however remember that religion is the cause but science is the weapon. Neither comes without its flaws. We can't dispel either of the two because we have to keep in mind they are possibly the two largest aspects in the entire world's society.
July 03, 2012 at 1:23 am, Will Crolla said:
HA! Thank you Allison for pointing that out! Amelia, I too love your display name, you are awesome.
July 03, 2012 at 1:34 am, Will Buchanan said:
Wasn't aware assuming I'm right about something I dont know about was an empty life. I'd call it arrogance. Then again, atheism is the same thing. Arrogance.
July 03, 2012 at 2:19 am, Sam MacLean said:
Hey now, while I don't think it's a good idea to chalk people's belief system to a bunch of "fairy tails", neither do I think it's a very good idea to tell someone they're life will always be empty because they don't believe in the same things you do.
I personally do not believe in a god, but my life is VERY full and enriching. I see beauty in everything around me and I don't HAVE to believe it was all created by a higher power to appreciate it. I prefer to just enjoy it as it is and think "huh now that is one REALLY COOL accident". In fact, that just makes me appreciate how beautiful it all is even more! I'm not saying that one side is more right than the other. What I AM saying is:
- just because a person chooses to subscribe to a certain faith/belief system, it doesn't make them any less intelligent or open-minded than anyone else by default
- just because a person does NOT subscribe to the same faith as you do and doesn't believe that some almighty being made everything beautiful in the world does NOT make their life empty, meaningless, and devoid of emotion, nor does it mean that they can't appreciate the beauty of every day life.
There are things that can enrich your life and make it fulfilling and exciting OTHER than faith. And calling a person's belief nothing but fairy tales and myths (especially in such a rude and uncalled for way) is only asking for a fight.
If you really disagree with a person's opinion enough that you just HAVE to type up a comment, I would suggest actually making valid points to back up your argument rather than both insulting the OP and telling them to shut up. You're not coming off as some kind of "crusader for reason and intelligent thought"; you just look like you want to pick a fight and ruffle some feathers.
July 03, 2012 at 4:54 am, Blake Massa said:
Ryan Black , You DO realize you're commenting on a science article? People are just going to troll you here. I respect your beliefs, but don't expect nice treatment from most people who are reading this. If you want likes, go to a forum or a discussion where people think the earth is flat, it's only 10,000 years old and that we walked with dinosaurs.
July 03, 2012 at 5:15 am, Stan Johnson said:
Amelia Bedeilia – You are also blindly bashing Christians then citing your hatred of them using Catholic examples. There is a severely large difference between Christians and Catholics. If you are going to bash people, get your facts straight, ok?…..Now, as a Christian AND a scientist (OMG! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!) I can say with all honesty that science and religion can co-exist, if not intermingle. The only major difference between a religious scientist and a non-believing scientist is our idea of creation…and to that extent Religion wins. Sure, we believe in an entity that cannot be seen, but at least we don't believe the universe and everything in existence was created by 2 celestial bodies that collided…see the fault in that? How could two things collide and create everything, when nothing was created yet?….Maybe Religion and Science aren't so different after all!
July 03, 2012 at 5:56 am, Shæn Eduard Røwden said:
It's just that no one cares about your religion.
July 03, 2012 at 6:52 pm, Jason Torres said:
Stan Johnson Sorry, but if you claim to be both, then you're neither. They are absolutely mutually exclusive ideas. Good science simply doesn't allow for God.
July 03, 2012 at 8:08 pm, Stan Johnson said:
Jason Torres – No, YOUR idea of science doesn't allow for both. It's pathetic that you'd even say such a thing.
July 03, 2012 at 8:34 pm, Edward 'Luckie' Lucas said:
Did the Big Bang/Singularity idea suddenly not become the leading theory to the beginning of the universe? The hell is this 2 celestial bodies colliding idea? That's a new one to me, honestly.
Sorry Stan, but no. Your credentials as a scientist are under scrutiny as far as I'm concerned, because this isn't even the leading theory you're bringing up. And how you decided, seemingly arbitrarily, that Religion has a more understandable creation theory is beyond me. I'll throw it back at you… how can a heavenly being create all of existence if nothing existed before? (i.e. where did this heavenly being come from?)
July 03, 2012 at 8:40 pm, Edward 'Luckie' Lucas said:
Also, what Jason said is mostly right… Science has irrefutably buttslammed most organized Religions' dogma. If you follow the Bible word for word, you're wrong. Sorry, but science has come a long way and managed to completely disprove the story of creation. And if you don't follow the Bible word for word, then that's cool, but why even consider the book the "word of God" if you're not going to fully believe it? Seems rather asinine.
July 03, 2012 at 8:50 pm, Stan Johnson said:
As a counter, The Big Bang Theory is still the single most popular creation belief in the scientific community. On top of that, many other theories are now on the ropes of being disproven (i.e. – Evolution…to many creatures on this planet could have NEVER evolved into what they are today – See: Bombardier beetles)…now, I personally believe in some of the ideas behind Evolution, its not a question things change when put under pressure. To tie those things together, Science is at its best when it leaves all ideas open to possibility. To immediately discredit God as an option because of personal bias is not only incorrect, but anti-scientific. There have been innumerable instances where Science has come up with answers that can only be explained one way, and instead of giving credit where credit is due, the community just calls the whole thing unanswerable and never looks back at it.
July 03, 2012 at 8:50 pm, Stan Johnson said:
*Too
July 03, 2012 at 8:55 pm, Edward 'Luckie' Lucas said:
Riiiight. So, in other words, you're full of crap. Thanks for the heads up.
July 03, 2012 at 9:00 pm, Jason Torres said:
Stan Johnson you can get as angry as you like, it changes nothing. Science and religion are mutually incompatible. It's a basic tenet of both, it has nothing to do with me. The moment you give up your need for good science and basic proofs, you cease being a good scientist. A good scientist doesn't have faith; he has doubt. It's those doubts that make him strive for the truth. He has imagination, certainly, and belief in science and possibility, yes, but not faith.
A good Christian doesn't have doubts, he has faith. It's that faith that allows him to believe he has the answers that Science is striving for. He can also have curiosity, true, and a need for answers, but you'll never get the true answers if you're afraid to ask a question. And Religion is afraid to ask certain questions because it already knows the answer: God. I'm sorry but it seems obvious that your anger is over your inability to reconcile the truth. You can only be one, not both.
July 03, 2012 at 9:42 pm, Jason Torres said:
Stan Johnson I'm sorry, I did have just one last thing to add to that. I made it seem earlier as though science and religion are flip sides of the same coin. They aren't. Science is the name we give to the sum total of all knowledge. It's the tool by which we discover our universe. It doesn't have an innate morality to it (although it can be very beautiful.) It is ultimate truth, because it must be. Because it must always ask "why?" and never rest on itself.
Religion is not noble. It isn't holy. It's a thing that we as humans made up to explain the "unknowable." It was our boogeyman and our bible. It was as good as anything else we had and at least it had the added value of community. It kept us together when we needed it. But we don't need it any longer. It's shameful that so many of us are still locked into a bronze-age doctrine, but liberating that so many are now willing to stand up and be free thinkers. (And no, you are not a "free thinker" by allowing your mind to be clouded by bronze-age reasoning, nor "closed-minded" by shutting it out. Some thoughts are not as valuable as others. A fallacy doesn't carry as much weight as a theorem. A child's babbling may be sweet but it isn't mathematics.)
We remember making religion up. We've had hundreds of gods and we remember most of them and how each one became the god of the next group, how one religion was co-opted into the next. We remember old men locked in rooms and debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. This was a time before science, when one branch of knowledge was as good as another. No more. Most of us dismiss bronze age technologies. You don't carry a sling, or an oxcart. Why carry a book of stories, except as entertainment?
As was so famously stated, "we're all atheists. I'm just one atheist higher than you."
July 04, 2012 at 8:10 am, Stan Johnson said:
Jason Torres – First, you are in no way higher than me, lets get that straight, and I apologize if my bluntness reads as anger, it isn't. I am also not trying to convert you, so drop the defenses…relaaaax. Why does faith in a higher power sicken you so? Your claim to be open minded is sure coming across as the opposite when you make such erroneous claims. As a scientist, in your words, you have to accept all things as a possibility. The idea of Science, in its correct form, isn't to deny the existence of God, but to find out for ourselves how things work without having to say "God did it!" I'd google the great number of important scientist who were christian, it'd shake you to your foundation.
July 04, 2012 at 8:13 am, Jason Torres said:
Not shaken and not defensive. 42 and been a real scientist for far too long, not surprised at anything. Nothing more to add…
July 04, 2012 at 8:14 am, Stan Johnson said:
Edward 'Luckie' Lucas You my friend, are an idiot and hence not worth my time. Go back to your McJob and live in the poverty you so deserve…and while you are at it, get a GED, maybe you can move up a little bit in the world…that's if your pea brain, imbecile mind isn't handicapping you…science disproved God….You did give me a chuckle on that one, so you get a minuscule amount of kudos for that…
July 04, 2012 at 8:17 am, Stan Johnson said:
Then good day, may your life be joyous and filled with peace.
July 02, 2012 at 8:11 pm, Scott Kessler said:
Charles Landy: What a rude, douchebag thing to say. Regardless of what you believe, it's your right to believe what you want. Your assertion that "adults are talking" is, in your case, oxymoronic.
The truth is, this is very exciting but still neither proves or disproves anything.
July 02, 2012 at 10:22 pm, Chris Gabert said:
LoL Let the religious arguments…. COMMENCE!
July 02, 2012 at 10:23 pm, Jesse Ngatai said:
I don't see what the big deal is about trying to prove where our existence comes from in the first place. Too much time is spent looking into the past. We should be looking to the future. Investing more time and money into renewable energy. The debate of religion vs science is so old and boring its irrelevant. Any normal sane human being knows we're here due to natural selection and evolution. Whether there was a prime creator or not, the question although it still remains, doesn't need to be answered.
The finding of the higs boson is pretty huge, but if they keep calling it the god particle it will just attract pointless arguments. Like the one above.
July 02, 2012 at 10:37 pm, Brodie Andrew Green said:
Lol, I think there is a competition to re name it?
July 02, 2012 at 10:39 pm, Jesse Ngatai said:
oh wow what. This shit got posted to my wall lol. I thought I was just leaving a comment on the article… ill kill em.
July 02, 2012 at 6:31 pm, Higgs Boson? Scientist’s are freaking out about it, so what are they talking about. - The International Gentleman | The International Gentleman said:
[...] Scientists discover ‘God particle,’ will announce this week [...]
July 02, 2012 at 10:58 pm, Paul Cutlip said:
No… it's called the "God Particle" because it gives objects their Mass… get it… Mass like Catholic Mass. Mass like weight (but not weight)… see it's kind of a joke that you guys don't seem to get. Nevertheless "God Particle" is a stupid name.
And NO you don't just get to substitute in God whenever science doesn't understand something or hasn't found something. Do you really want to reduce God to nothing more than that which we don't currently understand, subject to shrinkage as we learn more? 'Cause honestly where I don't understand I find a challenge to understand not a need to invoke a deity. My deity is is bigger than that.
July 03, 2012 at 2:11 am, Alexander DeVries said:
It was only called the "God Particle" in the press because the original name given by Peter Higgs, "that goddamn particle", was considered to be in poor taste.
July 03, 2012 at 2:12 am, Lyla-May Germain McDaniel said:
mine too!
July 03, 2012 at 12:36 am, Jacob Reyes said:
Exciting stuff… Proving the existence of the Higgs Field will be yet another major "find" from Physics (Science) that parallels something that ancient "spiritual" traditions have talked/taught about for so long now. two ways to arrive at the same concepts… Science may be a little late, but "big" discoveries like this make it so much easier for those that adopt belief systems that may not be considered wholly scientific. I applaud the efforts of these scientists. I do hope this turns out to be as big as it sounds for the world of Quantum Physics.
July 03, 2012 at 1:06 am, Joe Holmes said:
Really? They found the Higgs?
July 03, 2012 at 1:07 am, Joe Holmes said:
Oh I see. They found the imprint of it. Still pretty amazing stuff.
July 03, 2012 at 1:08 am, Jacob Reyes said:
That's what they're saying… supposed to announce it this week…
July 03, 2012 at 2:28 am, Live Pa said:
"belief systems that may not be considered wholly scientific." I lolled
July 03, 2012 at 2:41 am, Jacob Reyes said:
"lolled" and "trolled"…..
July 03, 2012 at 2:58 am, Live Pa said:
You're right, sorry. I cringe when I hear people equate physics to metaphysics or suggest that concepts of scientific discovery serve the purpose of someone's need for faith. Because this is in the context of your post and my "feelings" are not your problem – I owe you the above apology. I do wonder why you say that science is late? What alternative schedule is there?
July 03, 2012 at 2:38 am, Deena Jordan Levy said:
Dr. Leon Lederman, author of "The God Particle", says himself that the reason he called it the God Partcle, was because he could publish calling the God Damned Particle, alluding to the frustration of not being able to find the damned thing. It has nothing to do with God.
July 03, 2012 at 7:28 am, Rupert A. Parry said:
I don't see why there are so many implications about god in this article: where you can't understand you don't find faith, you just don't understand yet. There are no real philosophical implications whether we do or don't find the Higgs, just implications for physics.
Also, the question "why does matter have mass" isn't exactly a basic one.
July 03, 2012 at 8:58 am, Max Jackson said:
I've chosen to ignore religious debates and focus on science, leave the frustrating hair pulling arguments to Richard Dawkins. Poor dude.
July 03, 2012 at 3:29 am, Other Ten Percent » Other Ten Percent 7/3/12 said:
[...] Scientists discover ‘God particle,’ will announce this week I think I’m super weird because I’m one of those guys that kinda hoped we were wrong about the Higgs boson. I mean now that we’re sure it exists I’m super psyched for the scientists that “found” it but I always kinda hoped we’d just go “well that didn’t work” and throw out thirty years of science and get to some really cool really weird stuff. [...]
July 04, 2012 at 1:30 pm, Himmat Mehra said:
As per the world’s biggest discovery of CERN research centre’s scientists http://newstopnight.in/.
July 04, 2012 at 3:32 pm, Stephen Hawking lost a $100 bet the ‘god particle’ wouldn’t be discovered | Death and Taxes said:
[...] By Alex Moore 1 min agoScientists are announcing a major breakthrough in physics this week—the discovery of the Higgs boson particle, ending a 50 year quest to find the missing particle that makes mathematical sense of the universe. [...]
July 05, 2012 at 10:32 am, This Is Informative, You Should Watch It of the Day - The Daily What said:
[...] existence of Higgs boson — the “God particle” — was confirmed Wednesday, and it’s kind of a big [...]
July 05, 2012 at 11:25 am, This Is Informative, You Should Watch It of the Day | SillyPortal said:
[...] existence of Higgs boson — the “God particle” — was confirmed Wednesday, and it’s kind of a big [...]
July 07, 2012 at 9:40 pm, Mitchell Shelton said:
This article doesn't even get into heavy details on this particle, which to my knowledge is a tiny particle that exists everywhere in everything, even empty space, correct? Secondly, just because this particle exists does not mean the afterlife does not exist. I have had an explainable scientific reading with a medium which produced solid hits while I stared at them blank faced. They were able to tell me who died, how, and even our favorite song we sang together. At the very least, I have proven to myself that it is possible that some mediums show telepathic abilities. If telepathy exists, why not the afterlife as well?
July 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm, Scientists just discovered what makes migration possible | Death and Taxes said:
[...] been a big couple weeks for scientific discoveries: first we confirm the existence of the Higgs boson, that makes matter as we know it comprehensible, and now we discover what makes migration possible. [...]
August 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm, Science confirms: The only workday we like is Friday | Death and Taxes said:
[...] we like is Friday By Alex Moore 1 min agoGotta love science—when it’s not confirming the God Particle or inventing new DNA-based technology to store all the information on the internet on a device the [...]
September 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm, Higgs Boson said:
Higgs Boson / "God Particle" -2012 Science news is actually a 150+ year old discovery by a different name ………………Infinite Intelligence….Steve Meyer / New Thought Movement / HolisticDNA.
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"New Thought promotes the ideas that "Infinite Intelligence" or "God" is ubiquitous, spirit is the totality of real things, true human selfhood is divine, divine thought is a force for good, sickness originates in the mind, and "right thinking" has a healing effect…" Wikipedia.
September 19, 2012 at 7:14 am, Mahesh Jain said:
God Particle is a science perpetuated fiction. Following the news of God Particle discovery on July4, 2012, various issues pertaining to God Particle were re-examined by the author and have been reported herein. Several infirmities about the concept as well the experiment are pointed out. It is concluded that Higgs Boson even if truly exist represent nothing more than a process of transformation.
Visit: http://sciencengod.com/blog/why-god-particle-demonstration-is-a-flop-show/
http://sciencengod.com/blog/what-really-ails-god-particle-business/
May 13, 2013 at 1:46 am, Yesh Dev said:
with finite nature of mind trying to access infinite is a never ending crusade