A Reddit user by the name of Caspianx2 posted a lengthy, well-written, and throughly easy-to-read breakdown of the full Obamacare act, known in Congress as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. He (or she) even goes so far as to explain why PPAACA is a bad acronym!
Here’s the full link, and we’ve provided you with some of the better summations below.
– If you make over $200,000 a year, your taxes go up a tiny bit (0.9%). Edit: To address those who take issue with the word “tiny”, a change of 0.9% is relatively tiny. Any look at how taxes have fluctuated over the years will reveal that a change of less than one percent is miniscule, especially when we’re talking about people in the top 5% of earners. ( Citation: Page 818, sec. 9015 )
– No more “pre-existing conditions”. At all. People will be charged the same regardless of their medical history. ( Citation: Page 45, sec. 2704, Page 46, sec. 2701, and Page 57, sec. 1255 )
– If you can afford insurance but do not get it, you will be charged a fee. This is the “mandate” that people are talking about. Basically, it’s a trade-off for the “pre-existing conditions” bit, saying that since insurers now have to cover you regardless of what you have, you can’t just wait to buy insurance until you get sick. Otherwise no one would buy insurance until they needed it. You can opt not to get insurance, but you’ll have to pay the fee instead, unless of course you’re not buying insurance because you just can’t afford it. (Note: On 6/28/12, the Supreme Court ruled that this is Constitutional, as long as it’s considered a tax on the uninsured and not a penalty for not buying insurance… nitpicking about wording, mostly, but the long and short of it is, it looks like this is accepted by the courts) ( Citation: Page 145, sec. 5000A, and here is the actual court ruling for those who wish to read it. )
July 03, 2012 at 8:11 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Hey little missy…we are all sorry to read about your uterus. And we are happy you are better. But your story is really no different from millions of other people’s tales of woe…you need lots of healthcare and you are more than happy to let someone else pay for it. Your cute little poster goes straight to the usual theme…that no one is providing you with insurance. You don’t mention how much it costs…you only mention “your job does not provide benefits or health insurance”. Well, if your job doesn’t GIVE you care or insurance, did you consider GETTING IT AND PAYING FOR IT YOURSELF? No…of course not. You are entitled to insurance, and you are entitled to have other people pay for it. And this makes you proud and appreciative of the President? You are an underemployed leach who can’t pay her bills…and you are happy your President has locked you in Loserville. As long as "you get yours', you are happy. You should be outraged that the President insists on ME paying your bills.
July 04, 2012 at 12:56 am, Jason Bishop said:
Did you not read the part where she says "I couldn't pay for surgery and becuase it was a 'Pre-Exising Condition' insurance companies turned me down"? You are the epitome of everything wrong with the Conservative party. You are smug, arrogant, and uniformed.
July 04, 2012 at 5:07 am, Chip Albright said:
And you are the stereotypical bleeding heart that likes to only remember the details that suit your cause. What you are failing to remember is that she had the opportunity to get insurance BEFORE she became ill. Or find a job that provides healthcare. She made the choice NOT to provide for her own health care, then wants everyone else to pick up the tab later. By that logic, we should all chip in to fix her car after she gets in an accident, aw why bother, it still won't make sense to you.
The one thing you got right was your description that the typical conservative is more likely to be "uniformed". Thank a vet for your right to be a bleeding heart.
July 04, 2012 at 12:23 pm, Jason Bishop said:
It is rather sad how having a bit of compassion is considered a "bleeding heart". It is also rather sad that those of you who claim to be "Christian", are NOTHING like the Jesus you are called to emulate. FYI – I am a Vet. So you are welcome.
July 04, 2012 at 12:33 pm, Jason Bishop said:
It is rather sad how having a bit of compassion is considered a "bleeding heart". It is also rather sad that those of you who claim to be "Christian", are NOTHING like the Jesus you are called to emulate.
July 04, 2012 at 5:28 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Jason, of course I read that…it brings me back to my original theme…someone else gets to pay for another persons health care. Bingo bango I rest my case no further questions you are dissmised.
July 04, 2012 at 5:29 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Chip Albright, well said. Well said indeed.
July 05, 2012 at 3:34 am, Davis-Guess Wendy said:
We pay into insurance for a lifetime – there are only a few times we need medical care that amount in the 6 digits, if that. I know many people who have never had major medical care (fortunately for them).
Paying premiums every month for 30 to 65 years should mean something.
July 05, 2012 at 3:44 am, Jason Bishop said:
Scott W. Hutchings Someone else is paying for the roads you use, someone else is paying for your police department, someone else is paying for the military to protect you. Funny, I don't see you chantning "Socialism! Socialism! Socialism!" when it comes to the police department.
Bingo Bango, you are a hypocrite, who only likes "handouts" when you can benefit from them.
July 05, 2012 at 7:53 am, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Wrong…I pay for all of those things. You know it. I'm talking about a broad who wants something for nothing…she expects something for nothing, and she thinks she is going to get something for nothing.
July 05, 2012 at 12:44 pm, Dustin Price said:
Haha you probably don't make enough to pay for your own, which wouldn't surprise me, with ignorance running as rampant as it does these days. I'm a structural engineer, and i'm glad to pay my share and will be happy to know that it helps someone out. If you make ANY money, go ahead and vote for Romney. His record shows that job cuts are inevitable with him at the helm. Imagine the bill you'll be footing then.
July 05, 2012 at 4:52 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Holy shit…you are so far to the left you are bumping in to the right. You act like Obama has done stellar work. As for imagining the bill we will be footing, explain, not that you can, the 5 trillion dollars President Shit-For-Brains has barrowed.
July 05, 2012 at 6:04 pm, Melinda Maxwell Baker said:
I actually liken the car insurance to health insurance, but have been scolded at making such a parallel. The reason? The government requires me to carry car insurance if I'm going to own a car. The healthcare act is doing the same thing, so that young and/or clueless people will be compelled to get health insurance. If this had been the case before, the woman above most likely would have had insurance, or had at least paid into it somehow. To me, her case is exactly why we need the personal mandate…to avoid this kind of thing.
July 05, 2012 at 6:59 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
You seem to think the answer here is demanding everyone have healthcare insurance. Being that you can not be turned down, have you any idea how expensive your coverage will be? Let's say I have 5 kinds of cancer, while you are perfectly healthy. Did you know our premiums will be the same? Explain how that is going to work.
July 05, 2012 at 7:04 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Jason Bishop: You “takers” are a sensitive bunch. While I've had a great time peeking into that head of yours, I have to run. Off to the bank! Sweet!
July 05, 2012 at 7:11 pm, Jason Bishop said:
Scott W. Hutchings See, NOW you are starting to make a valid argument. I work very hard to stay in shape, I am a non smoker, I eat well, and go to the gym 4 or 5 times a week. I am very low risk for things like diabetes, heart attack, emphysema. Barring any unforeseen catastrophic problem (ie. cancer or accident) then I will probably not need that much coverage. I'd like to see a reward for making good choices when it comes to my health. On the flip side, if there is a person (and there are plenty here in America) that is overweight, smokes, and has horrible eating habits, then YES you are right, I should not have to pay the same premium as that person. I make good choices and sacrifices to stay healthy, while quite a few others would rather eat cheeseburgers at Mcdonalds and smoke a pack every day. That is where I feel this bill falls short.
July 05, 2012 at 7:15 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Nicely said Mr. Bishop. You redeemed yourself with this.
July 05, 2012 at 9:45 pm, Dustin Price said:
Scott W. Hutchings The thing is, even without Obama (i'm not the biggest Obama supporter) we have a seriously busted-ass healthcare system, and pretty soon, the REAL lowlifes in this country (the people that are too lazy to work and/or welfarites, etc) are going to further demolish it. I've just came to grips that if this is what I have to do, so be it. Frankly, it's still not as scary as Mitt Romney. I'm not juxtaposed to voting democrat, but this time, there's very little choice.
July 05, 2012 at 10:20 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Dustin, I have lived all over the world, to include some shitty parts of Europe and Asia. I have seen some really bad healthcare systems. The US healthcare system is fine…it's the healthcare PAYMENT system that is broken. How we PAY for the healthcare. The care is #1 on earth. And you hit on one of my main complaints: The lazy SOB who doesn’t want to pay. Our government screams at the top of the mountain that it’s OK to be a broke-ass, lazy, worthless clown with no money or future. It’s OK! The government is here for you! Here, free money, free food, free medical care. Can't pay? No problem.
Dustin, do you pay income taxes? Do you know that there is a very good chance the person to your left or right does not pay income taxes? About 50% of Americans pay nothing.
July 05, 2012 at 10:27 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Dustin Price, and I have to ask…what makes you, sir, feel that the federal government can manage healthcare for the entire country? What has this government been sucessful at running? Education? The Post Office? Amtrak? The war on drugs? The war of poverty? No. Nothing. The government is not business-savvy, but people seem to think it will all of a suddenn get it's shit together and run 20% of the America economy efficiently? It has ZERO history of success. It has a dismal track record.
Please don't think I'm beating-up on you…I am not. I am beating up on the government, Obama and this healthcare payment nightmare.
July 05, 2012 at 10:33 pm, Dustin Price said:
We can agree on two things here: lazy people and freebies problem needs fixed, and payment system is flawed. The sad thing is, it's hard to distinguish the two if you are the gov't. Hopefully drug testing people on welfare and food stamps will be a logical preventative cousrse.
July 05, 2012 at 10:41 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Drug testing for welfare and food stamps is a wonderful idea. I have to pass a drug test to earn the money the lazy people get after I pay taxes. And yes sir, the healthcare payment system is a mess, and the answer isn't simple. But a theme should be "responsibility for healthcare costs should start with the individual running up the bill". Turning to the taxpayer for everything can't last forever.
July 05, 2012 at 10:55 pm, Dustin Price said:
I like your train of thought on this, yet I can't help but empathize with the guy that is working and can't afford. Surely someone in all our families is like this. I am apalled by the levels of gratuitous handouts this country gives, but I see how it's happened as well. Manufacturing is cheaper overseas, gas prices affecting middle america, etc. I just hope the gov't finds a way to distinguish the two.
July 06, 2012 at 12:12 am, Scott W. Hutchings said:
The guy who is working and can't afford it…REALLY can't afford, help this guy AS MUCH AS IS NEEDED TO GET HIM THROUGH THE HARD TMES, but cut him lose pronto. And we (The US) need to tell "this guy" that maybe he should sell his bass boat, sell one of his thee flatscreens and maybe sell his second car, and use the money to pay his medical bills. Why can't he make a few hard, painfull sacrifices? I am. I go to work, earn money and then give it to him, right? It should hurt him the most…if it hurts anyone.
July 06, 2012 at 1:19 am, Chip Albright said:
Jason Bishop – coming back to this late I see, but still, to answer you about the bleeding heart and Christianity bit….
You have no idea how compassionate I might be, or how Christ-like I desire to be. And what we are talking about here is far beyond some small "bit of compassion". Kind of like calling Obama's $5 trillion, "a bit of a debt".
But back to the point, if I felt that Jesus wanted me to give everything I have away, for whatever reason, my goal would be to be ready to answer that call obediently. I would not want to question God's direction or sense of justice, I have faith in HIM. Would it be challenging, and might I fail – yes! However, I do not have any faith whatsoever in our government and there's the difference. I don't want the government telling me when, where, and how much to be charitable. Constitutionally, it's not their job or their right to do so! And when they do, they regularly misuse the funds in a way that would land people in the private sector in jail!
July 15, 2012 at 5:43 pm, Zoe Moeller said:
Every vet I know is on the LEFT. Just sayin'.
July 22, 2012 at 3:58 am, Nick Sievers said:
Although you may say that, some people enjoy their jobs as they are. Some of us are not as lucky. A good friend of mine works for a non profit radio station (he loves what he does and wouldn't change for anything), he got a blood infection and was not able to pay off the extremely expensive bill. I think the tax raise is reasonable, it's not extremely high and we are the benefactor for others, they should be thankful to the rest of America because taxes make this possible.
July 23, 2012 at 3:02 pm, Ken Koziol said:
Scott:Insurance companies don't always turn you down and preexisting real means you had it at some point in your life. If she had cancer at some point her premium would be higher then your, maybe a higher deductable but she could get it.
If she did not make enough she could have gone to a state insurance like we have here in Massachusetts but again they will not cover an active situtation.
If my car blows an engine and I decide to get warranty insurance on it, do you think they will cover it; I think not, so why should health insurance companies.
August 04, 2012 at 6:32 pm, M Gantt Kees Jr. said:
To the guy that responded to ,'Missy', you are an outright ,armchair ,asshole. I am sure your porfolio contains private healthcare coorporations.
People that pay for insurance all their lives deserve treatment regardless of the cost. Assholes like you mis-inform the public with your arm chair hot air. Obamacare is nothing more than a consumer protection law so that insurance companies,that have accepted your premiums, cannot drop you when you get sick. It also protects against outrageous costs, ex; 20 bux for a box of kleenex by hospitals. But, hey, guys like you don't care….you think every poor bastard that has financed these decent upstanding, moral cooperations for years with premiums, need to be dropped because its too expensive when they do get sick. What is really strange is I bet you go to church on Sunday. you are a hateful individual, with no concern for your fellow American that did what he or she was suopposed to do according to the contract they signed. I ask you;
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO???
In closing i will say this; What is wrong with a person getting sick especially when they have abided by the limitations of a contract they signed with an insurance company? Especially when they paid into that system for the majority of their lives?
Well, I'll tell you….it affects the stock price.
Gantt 3.23gantt+@gmail.com
ps- I believe in honest business, I am an honest capitalist, I hate what cooporate America and wall street has done to its own people. I believe that modern day conservatives are not real Republicans. Ronald Reagan is a liberal today; Dwight Eisenhower is a liberal today. Shame on yo; all of you modern day neo-cons…. you are not Americans and you are no friends of mine. God help you… perhaps all of you can protest agains gay marriage at the Gallery Baghdad at Halliburton Square. i'll see you at the homeless shelter so we can feed some homeless people… just like Jesus would do!!!
Gantt
September 08, 2012 at 9:18 pm, Cindy Corbett said:
You are a sorry speciman of a human being and should be ashamed of yourself!! You should have read the entire sign before you decided to slam the poor girl you idiot! Too bad if you have to pay a little more taxes Mr Greedy, it's obvious if you are complaining you are already getting more tax breaks than the average person anyway so in my opinion that makes you a leach too because the Gov. is also taking care of you!
October 07, 2012 at 2:24 am, Janise Collins said:
Jason, I am all for showing "compassion" to anyone I truly can see is in need. I think a better conduit for helping folks is my local church. I do not like just handing over to the government my hard earned money. Our church has a food pantry and I like the aspect of being able to see first hand where and whom the individuals are that are receiving assistance. I love interacting with individuals one-on-one. It is a much better way to serve those who are TRULY in need. Our church has Never turned down anyone who is really in need, and that includes paying for health care bills. The Bible also tells us to use wisdom in all things, and we need to recognize the fact that never did God expect us to get a 'free hand out" at the expense of other people. The Holy Bible states that if 'you do not work, you do not eat". Now, for me the best "compassion" I can give an individual is self-respect. By helping them to help themselves, is the best way I know to Truly help. So, to say I am not a CHRISTIAN because I believe that perhaps many people today are taking advantage of our system, is not very nice. As for the "bleeding heart" comment, perhaps those who are asking for help, need more than just material things? Maybe, they need a heart change, as well-take care my friend
July 03, 2012 at 8:15 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Your "when others said no" comment is proof that society has no problem seeking hand-outs until someone says "yes". These evil people "saying no" were really saying "no, I don't want to pay your medical bills".
July 05, 2012 at 12:49 pm, Dustin Price said:
BTW, if you frequent this site much, as i'm sure you do, you should be aware by now that it's almost wholly democratic. Find a forum that shares your views and doesn't regard you as a dipshit. Or, you can go back to posting pictures of Andy Griffith and T-Rexes on your facebook wall, tool.
July 05, 2012 at 4:47 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
So do tell, you lefty-libtard simpleton, does having a republican around upset you? Why so nervous…?
July 05, 2012 at 5:02 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Dude, had I known you are from Northern Kentucky, I never would have replied. You people aren’t known for your rich and savvy insight. How many bedrooms does your trailer have?
July 05, 2012 at 6:07 pm, Jason Bishop said:
Scott W. Hutchings I say keep typing. The more you type, the more of an idiot you look like. Come here and comment on EVERYTHING. That way, your stupidity will be exposed to a greater number of people.
July 05, 2012 at 7:02 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
I seem to have gotten under your skin…try getting a thicker hide child. When you debate me, you are in the bigs.
July 05, 2012 at 11:23 pm, Eric Birge said:
Your ignorance and selfishness is so mind boggling and moronic I can't even begin explain how horrible you must be. I truly hope you get a terrible illness, cant get insurance (or they drop you), can't afford care, and die a terrible death.
August 09, 2012 at 3:53 am, James Lysko said:
spoken like a true dem. "i dont like your opinion, go away tool!"
November 04, 2012 at 4:32 am, Karen Kincel said:
I don't think anyone is saying that, James. I think they're saying Scott Hutchings is an ass and a sociopath (see dictionary.com for the meaning of that word). I agree with them.
November 04, 2012 at 2:13 pm, James Lysko said:
So you condone the personal attacks and name calling? But him respectfully giving his point of view is out of line.
November 04, 2012 at 2:14 pm, James Lysko said:
Karen Kincel Nevermind, i read further down, this guys kind of a dick.
November 04, 2012 at 4:24 pm, Karen Kincel said:
LOL well said.
July 03, 2012 at 9:20 pm, Dustin Price said:
Thanks for the breakdown. I believe when the pull the rest of our troops out, we should take more approaches like this that are canadian-influenced. We could learn a lot from them. My mother had three jobs when I was young just to support me and her, and we STILL couldn't afford insurance.
July 03, 2012 at 11:47 pm, Janise Collins said:
Every public hospital I have ever gone to, has free health care for those who could not afford it, and sometimes, depending on your income(sliding scale) you'd pay (on payments) or not at all depending on your income level. So, excuse me if I think this healthcare bill/tax stinks. If I want to purchase healthcare insurance, then that decision should be up to me. What makes you think this is a free hand out because IT IS NOT. YOU will pay, it is not free, and if you think that, you'd better keep on reading that bill. If you cannot afford healthcare now, then how are you going to pay for it going forward. And, just so you understand all that this bill/tax is going to impose, if you "DO NOT PAY" the IRS will come after you, and that could even mean imprisonment. Just saying, just so you know!
July 05, 2012 at 10:45 pm, Dustin Price said:
What you fail to realize ma'am, is, there ARE people working all the time who CAN'T afford it, who NEED it, and I for one think this is a better solution when used with drug testing for welfare and food stamps. I've never seen free health care anywhere in my life, but i've never tried to leech it, either. I make good money and realize the guy next to me who doesn't fare so well might need it. Big deal.
July 09, 2012 at 2:13 am, Janise Collins said:
No, I am not failing to realize anything. I understand
that people whom are working still cannot afford
health care. I have had the experience of having to go
to the hospital without any health care insurance I have
been allowed to pay the bill in payments. So just because
you have not personally experience, something does not
mean it is non-existent. Furthermore, just so you understand
how this is going to work. Each and every pay check the tax
for healthcare will be deducted from my pay check,
and I will not have a say as to how much that dollar
amount will be. The IRS will deem the amount based
on my gross income.
It will not matter one iota to the government if I have
other obiligations or not, I WILL pay this tax.
I am stretched as far as I can go now, and this
will almost break me. It could mean the difference
between paying my house payment and having a roof
over my head or car insurance, each and every month.
I guess in the eyes of the government, my health
insurance is more important than having a place to live.
Or, having car insurance, so I can go to and
from work, which by the way, in the state
I live it is unlawful to drive a vehicle without car
insurance. Bottom line, if a person cannot
afford health insurance now, how in the world are they
going to be able to afford it going forward?
DO you not understand what this means to folks like
me who are on shoe string budgets? But, like you said
you make BIG BUCKS so who cares. Well, I care, and hopefully
others like me care. I work hard for my money, and I am
not happy about just giving it away to the IRS. I pay
enough taxes!!
Next, we will be forced to have a tax taken out of our
pay check, so everyone with a driver's license can
have 'car insurance'. When will it end???
July 22, 2012 at 5:49 am, Dustin Price said:
What you don't realize is, one way or the other, you already are paying. At least this way you'll know exactly how much it is. Go ahead, vote for Romney, and you won't have to worry about national healthcare, just your job going overseas.
August 09, 2012 at 1:24 am, Blake Landes said:
Based on what Romney has said, why would jobs go overseas? He doesn't like regulations and wants lower taxes. Wouldn't those attract businesses?
November 04, 2012 at 4:06 am, Karen Kincel said:
Janise Collins you said, "Every public hospital I have ever gone to, has free health care for those who could not afford it, and sometimes, depending on your income(sliding scale) you'd pay (on payments) or not at all depending on your income level." then turned around and said " The IRS will deem the amount based
on my gross income." That's the same thing as a sliding scale at the hospital. Also, you are already forced to have taxes taken out of your paycheck – in fact, the more you make the more you're taxed – personally, I pay over $600 a week in Federal taxes on my income. I pay $75 a week in health insurance (and that's not counting dental and vision). My insurance isn't even that great. AND I'm not by any means rich – I'm still paying off debt incurred to keep my children and myself alive when I was unemployed for the 2 years prior to Obama's victory, and every week I have to figure out which bill I can put off. I do not get public assistance (although I'm glad it's there for those who need it). Bottom line, I've been where you are and while I understand shoestring budgets, having been a single parent for 23 years, I can't understand whining about paying a few dollars for health insurance, when it could save you thousands if you ever got really sick. My child had brain surgery, and if not for insurance I would have had to pay $25,000 up front for his surgery or he would have died. I think I'd rather cut back on something extra in exchange for my life or one of my children.
As Dustin said, vote for Romney, then find the money to move overseas so you can have a job. Oh, and God help you if you ever need a mammogram, because without insurance you won't be able to get it at Planned Parenthood!
November 04, 2012 at 7:16 pm, Dustin Price said:
Blake, he's been sending jobs overseas since the 80s. Google it, or better yet YouTube it, and there ie a vid if Romney from 84 explaining ti Bain Capital how sending those jobs will be super profitable. Bain buys companies that can't post a profit, downsizes them to show a false profit so they look good to potential buyers/investors, or send it overseas. I had family members in Indiana where he shut down a plant with 3,300 people, with no warning at all.
July 04, 2012 at 8:12 am, Continuous Brown said:
Countries without a national health service are archaic.
July 05, 2012 at 1:59 pm, Martin Krohne said:
Did anyone read the article? Or did you all stop at the photo? If you think you are not already paying for someone else's health care, you are kidding yourself. The insurance company recoups that money from those who pay, as does the Health industry. Somebody always pays. The point of the act was to broaden the spectrum of who pays for health care insurance so that all can be covered. It boggles my mind that some people would rather see others die of a catastrophic illness (e.g. cancer) rather than chip in to help them out. I'd like to know where the proof that lack of money causes cancer exists.
July 05, 2012 at 5:09 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Martin, you made your point very well, seriously. Well said. But again I have to say…no one asks me to "chip in". The government, hospitals, insurance companys all MAKE me chip in. If I don't want to chip in to another persons financial needs, that is my business. And no, I do not ecpect people to chip in for MY needs. It all boils down to one group of people TAKING and one group of people GIVING.
July 05, 2012 at 6:00 pm, Melinda Maxwell Baker said:
There actually is data that poverty is a contributing factor in cancer rates. The reasons include lack of preventive care (among others). So, if you are poor, and you don't have insurance, and you don't get regular care, by the time you realize something is very wrong (and go to the ER, which we all end up paying for), it's often later stage cancer. Of course, the cynic in me thinks that there are people out there who are fine with that because poor people don't need to live as long.
July 05, 2012 at 6:06 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
…and yet another reason not to be poor.
July 05, 2012 at 6:12 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Melinda Maxwell Baker, I am not interested in paying for another persons heath care. It is as simple al that. I don't care if the person standing next to me lives to be 100 or 25. And I don't expect the person standing next to me to give a rats ass about me, my health, or my longevity.
July 05, 2012 at 6:23 pm, Jason Bishop said:
Melinda Maxwell Baker I think Scott would be just fine letting the poor die, after all they are sucking away at his hard earned money.
July 05, 2012 at 6:24 pm, Jason Bishop said:
Scott W. Hutchings If being rich meant I had to be a pretentious ass like yourself, I think I'd rather be poor.
July 05, 2012 at 6:33 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
The truely needy? Sure, count me in. That soyuld be 3 or 4 people out of 100. But in today’s America, all a person has to do is refuse to pay for healthcare and they get it at no cost to them. (Note I didn’t say “free”, as it is not free…someone pays). Obama has perpetuated the notion that the lazy, worthless, weak, dumb, uneducated, down-and-outers are due something for nothing..
July 05, 2012 at 6:37 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Jason…good for you, be poor. Be as poor as you want to be. And have your dirty hand sticking out when you get sick, demanding I pay for your healthcare.
July 05, 2012 at 6:44 pm, Scott W. Hutchings said:
Jason Bishop, I think I have you figured out: You are a broke-ass cook who can’t pay his bills, to include healthcare. So…you flip your burgers and clip your coupons, and demand free healthcare. Got it.
Try to imagine you being successful, with lots of money in the bank and a large income. (This is called capitalism, and it has worked for many. many years). Imagine, with all of your money, you are told you must give one-half of it to the government. No, they don’t ask you for your money, they demand it. That take it. So what do you think? Do you think you’d like it, giving away half your money? And remember, the money you lose goes to some underemployed cook living in a double-wide.
July 05, 2012 at 6:55 pm, Jason Bishop said:
Scott W. Hutchings Umm broke ass cook? Where do you get that Idea. I did indeed go to culinary school and was a very successful CHEF for many years. I decided that I no longer wanted to do that as a profession so went back to school, and became a manager for a cell phone company. I've never in my life asked for a hand out, everything I have, I earned. Worked two jobs while I put myself through College to better myself. You do not have me figured out. You know nothing about me. I happen to be living very comfortably and am very appreciative of capitalism. It is the system that has allowed me to get ahead. I'm very well aware of that. I'm not an anti capitalist, nor am I a socialist, and this may shock you.. I don't even consider myself a liberal. It is just unlike you, I feel a bit of compassion for those who are in a situation where they need medical help, but because of the system we have in place in this country – they cannot get it. If it means me paying a bit more taxes so that those in need can get help.. I'm all for it. Empathy and compassion are wonderful traits to have… too bad you don't see it that way.
July 05, 2012 at 6:58 pm, Jason Bishop said:
Scott W. Hutchings Umm broke ass cook? Where do you get that Idea. I did indeed go to culinary school and was a very successful CHEF for many years. I decided that I no longer wanted to do that as a profession so went back to school, and became a manager for a cell phone company. I've never in my life asked for a hand out, everything I have, I earned. Worked two jobs while I put myself through College to better myself. You do not have me figured out. You know nothing about me. I happen to be living very comfortably and am very appreciative of capitalism. It is the system that has allowed me to get ahead. I'm very well aware of that. I'm not an anti capitalist, nor am I a socialist, and this may shock you.. I don't even consider myself a liberal. It is just unlike you, I feel a bit of compassion for those who are in a situation where they need medical help, but because of the system we have in place in this country – they cannot get it. If it means me paying a bit more taxes so that those in need can get help.. I'm all for it. Empathy and compassion are wonderful traits to have… too bad you don't see it that way.
July 05, 2012 at 7:02 pm, Jason Bishop said:
Scott W. Hutchings Again, I don't see how this is any different than you or I paying for a road to get paved. The government demands your taxes to help pay for road construction. The Government demands your taxes to help pay for a police force. It is something we all benefit from and something we all pay in to. But for some reason, these "socialist" systems are ok with you.
July 15, 2012 at 5:37 pm, Zoe Moeller said:
@ Scott: Get over it, you ridiculously apathetic whiner.
October 11, 2012 at 4:37 am, Vanessa Maney said:
Hey. I have cancer, metastasized from my breast to my brain. I have medicaid. And no treatment, at all. Medicaid signed my death warrant. Hospitals and surgeons REFUSE to accept medicaid because it pays pennies! You want it? You will get it. Just HOPE you won't ever need specialty care because you will NOT get it.
November 04, 2012 at 4:15 am, Karen Kincel said:
Scott – your star says "Greece – Athena High School". I'm trying to understand a couple of things. First, are you in the country Greece, or is that part of a high school name? Two, are you still in high school? If the answer to #2 is yes, you're most likely not paying insurance premiums – your parents are. If the answer to #1 is you're in Greece, you're not American. In both cases, you aren't the one paying for anything, anyway – you're living off your parent's money so what the HELL do you know about paying taxes and health insurance? I hope you never get sick and need help. Wait. No I don't. I'll be like you and "not give a rat's ass" what happens to you.
November 04, 2012 at 4:27 am, Karen Kincel said:
Okay, I can't delete the post above, so I will reply to it. I digress – you are not in Greece, and you may not be in high school. However, I stand on what I said about hoping you never get sick. I bet you don't give to charity, either. God forbid you or any of your children ever need help, because you may just have to rely on people who DO care. And I'm betting you're not rich, but you bitch about anything you have to pay that doesn't directly help you – and even some things that do (like roads). Good luck keeping that awesome job you imply that you have if Romney gets in.
November 04, 2012 at 4:51 am, Karen Kincel said:
Scott W. Hutchings I bet you don't give to charity, either. God forbid you or any of your children ever need help, because you may just have to rely on people who DO care. And I'm betting you're not rich, but you bitch about anything you have to pay that doesn't directly help you – and even some things that do (like roads). Good luck keeping that awesome job you imply that you have if Romney gets in.
And Obama didn't perpetuate the notion that the lazy, worthless, weak, dumb, uneducated, down-and-outers are due something for nothing. That is perpetuated by the lazy. As for dumb, that is a physical condition (mute). As for uneducated, some people can't afford college (oh, and Obama is trying to help remedy THAT situation, too, while Romney wants kids to borrow money from parents who are probably still paying off their own student loans). Down and outers were most likely doing okay, but for whatever reason have had a downturn and if given a hand up, might be happy as hell to get a job and work. Try educating yourself before you make idiotic, generalizing comments.
July 05, 2012 at 7:36 pm, Dahni Bloomfield said:
you should all educate yourself on what Obamacare allows and doesn't… nothing is ever good for all people but something is better than nothing for most! yes we are all playing in some form or another- and yes those that need hand outs should get up off their butts and earn their keep as most can but don't. But what about those that work their butts off everyday to put food on the table- barely making it because they didn't go the college because mom and dad couldn't afford it and grants/loans were not available and they now have minimum wage jobs with crappy plans that they can't even afford to squeeze one dime out of their wages to pay for and even if they did- who can afford huge deductibles, large co-pays, medications that are through the roof. Something had to be done. While I don't necessarily agree with all the changes… I do feel we need to do something.
I challenge anyone of you to come up with a plan that works for everyone-
July 22, 2012 at 6:32 am, Nick Sievers said:
Thank you for finding middle ground, this argument is ridiculous and we needed that.
July 05, 2012 at 11:56 pm, Don Drater said:
Scott Hutchings are you so angry because your wife looks like a sow? Maybe if you spent more time porking her mouth instead of mouthing off about liberals, you might be a little less angry!
Squeeeeeeeeeallllll.
July 16, 2012 at 6:36 pm, Charles Hanson said:
The FALLACY that conservatives have made almost hegemonic throughout this country is 'everyone wants everything for free.' What anyone who has actually traveled around this country will tell you is people WANT TO WORK! And they want that work to be reliable and afford them the ability to buy the things they need, including health insurance.
Do you even know how much health insurance costs paying as an individual? Businesses are able to bargain for lower rates with higher numbers and employee premiums. But a lone individual cannot bargain and will pay way the hell more for a plan than any business. Thus the incentives for businesses to provide insurance.
And we don't even know what or how much of a "tax" will be imposed. In MA, the "tax" was imposed by restricting certain tax deductions, so the tax payers had already paid the money, they just didn't' get it back in their returns. The federal tax code changes so often it probably will go largely unnoticed.