AP reported today that four U.S. Army Soldiers were arrested in a plot to assassinate President Obama and overthrow the federal government. While this operation remained in the planning stage, the group did actually kill a fellow soldier and his girlfriend to eliminate the possibility they’d leak the group’s plan.
Ok look, no one else seems to be saying it, so I’ll just come out with it: This is part of the problem with how freely we throw around our Second Amendment rights—it blurs the line between patriotism and terrorism.
I’m not going to blame the extreme right for inciting this kind of plot with their talk of taking up arms the way Rush Limbaugh managed to blame Obama for the Empire State Building shooting on Friday. No one made these guys kill their former comrade and his girlfriend, and the blame for their craziness is theirs alone.
But it’s impossible to ignore how close their rhetoric is to Republican calls for civil war should Obama win re-election. And I’m not talking about Michele Bachmann’s old quote about being “armed and dangerous” on taxes. Last week an elected judge in Texas madie it clear he wasn’t talking about metaphors: “I’m talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms, get rid of the dictator.” And the Virginia Republican Committee recently voiced similar sentiments.
Not to blame these people for the arrested soldiers’ actions, but the Second Amendment creates the question: where’s the line between “taking back the country” and actual treason?
This group called itself F.E.A.R., or, “Forever Enduring Always Ready.” One can infer from their name and the details of their plan to overthrow the government that they were also of the mindset to “get rid of the dictator.”
The group had assembled $87,000 worth of guns and bombs, and planned to assassinate the president, take over Fort Stewart in Georgia, and presumably start a new governing body operating outside the U.S. rule of law.
Whether you call this an act of insane terrorism or patriotic valor is an question of judgement. And not only is judgement subjective, but it’s apt to change over time. John Brown, the abolitionist who joined a slave revolt in 1856, was widely seen as a terrorist then and is remembered largely as a hero.
Sure, in theory the Second Amendment is great—if a government stops representing the will of the people it should get overthrown. But we don’t live in Egypt. We haven’t had anything remotely resembling a dictatorship since this country started. Perhaps we should all cool the jets a bit about the militias and the uprising.
Then again, we do live in a still-pretty-racist country with its first black president. It’ll be interesting to see if the Second Amendment feels less culturally urgent if Romney wins the White House.
August 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm, Ashley Harris said:
Wow crazy shit!
August 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm, Vince Hathaway said:
What would America look like today if Madison had not written the Second Amendment? Has the amendment restrained politicians from running amuck with our country? We cannot know the answers but we should consider the good that we enjoy because there is not a government monopoly on weapons in this nation. That said, assassins almost never achieve their long term goal. A great example is Booth killing President Lincoln. Booth thought Lincoln's death would benefit the south but it had the reverse effect, hurting the south for decades.
August 27, 2012 at 10:38 pm, Jeremy Arthur Vandelay said:
dude, all of this same shit was being said when Bush was running for re-election in 04 and McCain in 08. It is a proven fact that there is much more militant political activity from leftwing activists than the right.
Remember the climate change guy that took a tv station hostage, demanding they plan inconvenient truth or whatever he wanted played nonstop?
Law abiding citizens are law abiding UNTIL they commit a crime. That means at one time, EVERYONE was a law abiding citizen. No one kills someone driving drunk until they do it for the first time, it doesn't mean we go out confiscating car keys of every potential would-be drunk driver- the cost of liberty lost far outweighs the little bit of security gained by such an action.
Rolling back the second amendment is no different than making an argument for a 10 mph national speed limit, citing allllll the lives that would be saved and all the needless deaths avoided by enacting such a law.
I'm sorry, but I don't want to live in a country where everyone drives 10 mph, and I don't want to live in a country where we cower in fear and beg to be coddled by our righteously armed government. Unless you plan on disarming police, I would never agree with disarming law abiding citizens. I trust my neighbor with his 357 more than I trust Starsky and Hutch.
August 28, 2012 at 12:21 am, Jim Kimmons said:
Absolutely right! There's a great book that's been around a long time titled "Nation of Cowards." We've become a nation of people scared of their own shadows, reliant on police and government proven to be no protection at all, but immersed in "Snookie" and a bunch of crap that will keep them mesmerized while they're gradually enslaved.
August 28, 2012 at 12:51 am, Alex Picciuolo said:
HELL YES! Now there's a dood with some common flipping sense. Good on ya' bro! III%
August 28, 2012 at 6:49 am, Greg Johns said:
You're a dumb a$$ and you don't even know how to spell dude correctly.
You sound like you're treasonous as well, if you even know what means.
August 28, 2012 at 1:59 pm, Laura Chandler said:
" It is a proven fact that there is much more militant political activity from leftwing activists than the right. "
Really? That's a proven fact? Should be easy to prove then, and you should.
Furthermore I think the author makes it clear he blames the individuals. Stop worrying about tyuour guns and WORRY ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY!!!!
NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!!!
August 28, 2012 at 2:24 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
"NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!!!" You are a liar.
August 28, 2012 at 2:43 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Proof? That's what I thought.
August 28, 2012 at 2:52 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Where's the proof Jeremy and Joe? Don't leave me waiting, you inconsiderate clods, you should have included it in the first place (assuming you had any).
August 28, 2012 at 3:13 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
I'm not going to answer your disingenuous garbage, cocksucker. The gun control movement is alive and well in the US and we are not so naive to think their eventual goal isn't near total disarmament.
August 28, 2012 at 3:18 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Evidence? Facts? Anything remotly resembling truth? What bills are in the works right now? What new restrictions have happened? Cite me new gun control that has happened under this administration? Anything?
August 28, 2012 at 3:18 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Joseph Kerr We'll all just wait here while you find absolutely nothing.
August 28, 2012 at 3:48 pm, D. J. Pangburn said:
D&T Editor Alex Moore was not arguing for disarming citizens. I've spoken with him a number of times on the subject. He supports sensible gun registration, which even my father, a longtime NRA member, supports.
What Alex was actually commenting on was the fact that these guys had military-grade weaponry and explosives; combine that with military training and they were quite dangerous. It's not so much how they obtained the weapons (whether legitimately or on the black market), but that the 2nd amendment, specifically the phrase "a well-armed militia," inspires right wingers to take militia-like action any time, god forbid, a left-leaning president takes office. Ever heard of the John Birch Society's threats against JFK? The fact that Obama is black only encourages this neo-Confederate brand of patriotic militia uprising. (This is a subset of the GOP but not the GOP at large, of course.)
Yes, the members of the F.E.A.R. milita were law-abiding citizens at one time, but that's not the point Alex was making. He was calling for those on the right wing given to militia talk and overthrowing Obama (the dictator) to just cool their freakin' boots for a minute.
Rhetoric and propaganda enflames such minds. If one hears anything enough times—namely, that Obama is a foreign communist (despite letting Wall Street off the hook, and the lowest taxes in 30 years) intent on ripping the country apart—they will begin to feel compelled to take action. The same thing happened with Occupy Wall Street, albeit in a different, peaceful and mostly intelligent form. For OWS, the answer was through communicating via media and symbols; for some right-wingers like the dickheads in Alex's article, the answer is guns and violence. Our response here shouldn't be to revoke the 2nd amendment (which would never happen anyway), but to spot these fucksticks early on, which the government did in this case; though, tragically, people had to die for the truth to come out. I wonder if those who agree with F.E.A.R., over even the garden variety GOP voter, believes that Obama manufactured this whole incident. That would be fresh.
And no one denies that the radical left can be violent—there's plenty of violent history on either side. I do seem to recall, however, that the most destructive and bloody act of domestic terrorism on American soil was carried out by ultra right-wingers Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols, or have you forgotten that little moment in history?
McVeigh and Nichols were steaming about the government's actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Keep in mind, however, that it was under the GOP icon Ronald Reagan's administration that the Randy Weaver investigation was launched. And it was under Bush 41 that Weaver and his family were killed. Conservatives going after the rightwing militia movement. You won't hear that narrative, though. It must have been rogue leftists in the Reagan and Bush 43 administrations, eh?
I'm not so much worried about Islamic terrorists these days, but maniacal right wingers like F.E.A.R. douchebags in the article. On the left, you have the Black Bloc radicals who will stupidly smash some windows and throw a few molotov cocktails; or you have the now dismantled ELF, whose tactics generally involved torching SUVs, construction equipment, and various other structures—no one ever died on those actions.
Not to engage in moral relativism here, but I would imagine that you believe that ELF's actions are a strong equivalent to the religious mania inspiring the Waco seige and Timothy McVeigh's domestic terrorism, to say nothing of the right wing domestic terrorism that followed in the wake of the Civil War, right up until the '60s. People might call it lynching, but I'll call it what it really is: terrorism.
We are often fooled by our humane evolution over the last four decades. But instances such as the F.E.A.R. militia remind us just how backwards the fringe-dwelling right wing mind really is. They simply take the usual right wing rhetoric to its ultimate conclusion.
DJ
August 28, 2012 at 4:01 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
"sensible gun registration"
You are incrementalist fucks, you will never stop demanding more and more concessions.
No, you won't get a thing. You don't have our consent or permission, deal with it. Bitch all you want about right wingers, we aren't going away and if you try to force us to live by your rules we'll slaughter you. You are treasonous parasites, out of touch with most Americans.
August 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
D. J. Pangburn A pretentious rant by an ignorant child. You are a weakling, you are stuck in your own little bubble. You SHOULD be afraid, because we won't allow people like you to have any influence over our lives.
August 28, 2012 at 4:05 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Ooooh Death tthreat on the internet. Aren't you brave. Again, can you please tell the rest of the class these imaginary attempts to take your guns? Which laws? which ATTEMPTS at laws to restrict guns have occured in the past 4 years. I'm a member of the NRA, jackass. There have been exactly NONE. Try facts. Try intelligence. try reason. Or join your above counter parts in jail, where you belong.
August 28, 2012 at 4:07 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
Why don't you come put me in jail yourself CUNT?
And why exactly do I belong in jail? What law have I broken? You are a tyrannical fucking WHORE.
August 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Genius rebuttal. So no facts then? As I suspected.
August 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm, Ben Simon said:
LOL…this child is a tool bag.
August 28, 2012 at 5:09 pm, D. J. Pangburn said:
Joseph Kerr,
I am far from an incrementalist. If you knew anything about me, you'd know I was born and raised in the sticks; hunted from the age of 12 until about 21 (before school and career made it impossible); have been a lifelong supporter of gun rights and the 2nd amendment. Not more than three weeks ago I was shooting sporting clays in the midwest with my father and his friend, and took some time at the target range with a Smith & Wesson; went pheasant hunting several months ago (and, oh shit, I'm having one of my pheasants—a black mutant—stuffed).
Are those bona fides enough for you, Joe? (I'll take my damned bow now, thank you very much.)
You don't have my consent or permission to talk bullshit all day long. How 'bout that, Sir?
Nobody wants your guns, Joey. But it's sane policy to make sure that everyone is mentally competent to own one, and not a felon. Yes, these people might go find a gun on the black market, but that doesn't mean we as a society shouldn't try to stop the mentally unhinged from acquiring arsenals for any number of conspiracy theory motivations.
DJ
August 28, 2012 at 5:45 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
You are an incrementalist even if you don't claim to be one. It doesn't matter what you think anyway, we will not allow your policy to come into place, period. You also sound like a Fudd that thinks guns should only be used for hunting. I don't NEED your consent or permission for anything you weakling faggot. We will acquire whatever arsenals we like for whatever reasons we like, and if you try to stop us we'll unleash the full power of those arsenals on you.
What you don't seem to get is that there is no society that we share and inhabit. It doesn't exist, it's a myth, a lie. There's just you trying to impose your will on us.
August 28, 2012 at 5:53 pm, Ben Simon said:
Lol you say "we" as if you are out there doing something instead of arguing on facebook. Bahahaha
August 28, 2012 at 5:59 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Joseph Kerr Other than your oh so brutal dig at his sexuality (he'll never live it down, I'm sure) WHO is coming for your guns? I what way? By what law? Where? Why are you on here threatening stranger with arsenals of guns? What "us" are you even talking about? FACTS or shut your cry hole, you insipid whining quater wit. I can see that your page is just for trolling and all, but since you are a public thread making threats of violence towards the ghost people coming for your weapons, I took a few Screen shots of your threats. I'll email them all the completely NO ONE who are coming for your guns.
Also?
so·ci·e·ty/səˈsīətē/
Noun:
The aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.
The community of people living in a particular region and having shared customs, laws, and organizations.
August 28, 2012 at 6:19 pm, Dustin Price said:
Josef Kerr, I don't know if it eluded your brilliance or not, but this is a widely (if not wholly) Democratic site. Unless you are a genius troll, you look like a cock hair to the rest of us.
August 30, 2012 at 5:46 am, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Joseph Kerr thank you so much for the fun times and though I've outclassed you in every way possible, I consider this a good match. Feel free to join my discussions any time.
August 28, 2012 at 2:44 am, Joseph Kerr said:
The government may represent people like you, but it doesn't represent most of us. There is a reason people are pissed off, perhaps you should deal with those issues instead of demanding we "cool our jets".
August 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Cool your goddamn jets.
August 28, 2012 at 3:58 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
Make me faggot.
August 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
I'll suck your dick, nigger.
August 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm, Laura Chandler said:
That's possibly the best reply I have ever seen to that statement.
August 30, 2012 at 5:43 am, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Thank you =)
August 30, 2012 at 7:05 am, Dustin Price said:
My sentiments as well. I will put that one in my book.
August 28, 2012 at 2:54 am, Michelle Cook said:
You should see the Rand Paul "Obama, Hillary Clinton, and the UN are coming for your guns" email the tea party is circulating.
August 28, 2012 at 2:56 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
That would be the exact manner of discourse that landed these four in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Tea Party? More like Tea Terrorists imo.
August 28, 2012 at 3:49 am, Greg Nixon said:
The lunatic fringe on the right continues to grow and lose all touch with balanced rational thinking. I do not know of any such lunatic fringe on the left (though there was 35-45 years ago). I fear for America. I fear these crazies who would destroy their democracy and gladly kill while absurdly calling for "freedom". What really motivates these outraged paranoids? What can be done about them?
August 28, 2012 at 11:18 am, Joseph Kerr said:
Some asshole professor from Canada should mind his own business when it comes to the US. We frankly don't give a damn what you think.
August 28, 2012 at 2:00 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Joseph Kerr I do. Maybe you should listen for a moment.
August 28, 2012 at 2:06 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
I don't care what you think either Laura. You are a left wing woman and your opinion is less than worthless to me. Maybe you should MAKE me listen.
August 28, 2012 at 2:08 pm, Laura Chandler said:
Ahh, I see by your photo you simply enjoy being an asshole and that's just what you are about. It's a shame you are wasting your own time and everyone else's. There are serious things happening in the world and in the counry and you are just looking for chances to troll. It's part of the problem and someday you'll be ashamed.
August 28, 2012 at 2:23 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
I'm not wasting my own time, I actually have a lot of fun talking down to presumptuous idiots like yourself. I will never be ashamed for being a better person than you.
August 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm, Tec Sg Beatty said:
Really, Greg? How many more times must Obama violate the Constituion before you'll get your head out of your rump, and realize that he sees himself as a dictator-in-waiting? After all, he has been publicly quoted as saying he views the Constitution as an impediment to his agenda.
August 28, 2012 at 2:52 pm, Marc Hersch said:
When the so-called center self destructs under the weight of its own contradictions, everyone becomes someone else's lunatic on one fringe or another. Is fringification a word?
August 28, 2012 at 2:53 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Joseph Kerr is insecure when it comes to his intellectual prowess. Proof (something he clearly has no concept of) is above.
August 28, 2012 at 2:54 pm, Greg Johns said:
Hey Joseph, you really sound like a spoiled child. Show some maturity.
August 28, 2012 at 2:55 pm, Marc Hersch said:
I've finally realized that everyone in the world is mad except you and me but lately I've been wondering about …
August 28, 2012 at 3:12 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
You're insecure about your tiny cock.
August 28, 2012 at 3:36 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Someone has penis on their mind and that's OK. We are a society that welcomes all regardless of sexuality.
August 28, 2012 at 4:02 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
You are not part of my society.
August 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Phew, thank god, best news all day. Back to your shack in the woods with the rest of the regressives then?
August 28, 2012 at 5:46 pm, Joseph Kerr said:
Actually I think we'll come riding into your villages and pillage your women and gold instead, weakling.
August 28, 2012 at 6:05 pm, Laura Chandler said:
You don't pillage women. Or gold. You don't understand how this works. You don't really know what pillage means, do you? Go ahead. Get your dictionary. You can only pillage a place, not an object or a person. Wrong nouns, little guy.
August 28, 2012 at 6:09 pm, Robert Heckler said:
So the right is the only one with lunatics..did you mids the occupy wall street thing or black panther movement..apparently your a bit dilusional..
August 28, 2012 at 6:14 pm, Axel Biehl said:
Well, Greg Nixon, you certainly launched an intriguing, thoroughly-reasoned debate here. Thus far, not a single comment has actually addressed the original issue of domestic terrorism, which is indisputably a phenomenon of the Right. The Left too, has its fringe, in the forms of political correctness and the odious neotribalism known as "identity politics", but I can't think of a leftwing counterpart to the sort of terrorism your article chronicles. The defining characteristic of any kind of terrorism is a totalitarian mentality–the exact antithesis of democracy–since terrorism of any stripe never repesent the wishes of the majority, but only of themselves and their small coterie. As to the only response that had anything of substance to say: that Obama has violated the Constitution–that is a matter of fact, as evidenced by, among other things, his signing into law the NDAA, a clear violation of civil rights and due process. However, that too is a separate issue from the one your article talks about.
August 28, 2012 at 7:16 pm, Axel Biehl said:
In response to Robert Heckler's comments about the Black Panthers: Greg Nixon DID mention that 3 or 4 decades ago, there was terrorism on the loony left–precisely the period during which the Panthers had their heyday. As for the Occupy movement, as annoying and unfocused as it was, I would hardly categorize it as terrorism. Anyone who attempts to assassinate the sitting president of the US, regardless of their ideological persuasion, is a nutbar, period.
August 28, 2012 at 7:40 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
@Joseph calm down now, one step at a time, does any of your unibrowed, inbred brood know how to operate an elevator? They're going to need to know that if they want to get at me, make a point to teach them as best you can. Might want to train them up and hone their skills -potty and otherwise- beforehand, though I'm sure the only hail of bullets I'll encounter will originate from an ammo box to me via their fat, stubby, sweaty-palmed hands.
Come at me bro.
August 28, 2012 at 11:59 pm, Greg Nixon said:
Consider me part of the rest of the world watching "patriots" like you bent on destroying the very country they claim to be so patriotic about. Many Americans care a great deal about how the world sees them since they want to be globally cooperative. What "we" are you talking about? You and your paranoid backward loudmouth fringe? No one can "MAKE" anyone do anything on an open discussion line, but I suggest you make yourself less hungry for violence and more open to seeing a personal counsellor very soon.
August 29, 2012 at 1:43 am, Ron Christensen said:
Wow! We have our nutbars here in Canada but the level of anger and hate I read in some of these comments is astounding. It seems that since there is no such thing compromise any longer in the US government, more and more people are turning to the extreme.
August 30, 2012 at 3:35 am, Kris Reed said:
You need some anger management, Joseph Kerr.
August 30, 2012 at 7:00 am, Dustin Price said:
He doesn't know anything about pillaging, but he gobbled his stepfathers cock once.
August 31, 2012 at 3:01 am, Keith Marshak said:
"I do not know of any such lunatic fringe on the left." Really?
John Patrick Bedell and James Von Brunn were both registered Democrats. Then there is the ELF, the ALF and the Black Panters. Failed bomber James Chester Blanning was also a Democrat.
Don't worry Greg. There's plenty of crazy on both sides of the political fence and if you haven't heard of any from the left then you're simply not trying.
September 25, 2012 at 5:19 pm, Lisa Ann Gohn said:
Mr. Nixon, As a professor you should be educated enough to know that there are 'lunatic fringe' on both the left and the right. As an educator you should take a more objective stance and not try use your position to bolster and/or condemn one side over the other. One last thing-The U.S. is a Republic not a Democracy.
September 26, 2012 at 12:16 am, Kris Reed said:
Aren't you tough, Joseph Kerr. You're just angry and unwilling to listen to anyone but you.
January 27, 2013 at 1:34 pm, Zack Daigle said:
Democratic Republic dude not a strict democracy. 51 percent can't vote to take our god given rights. Nice try though.
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August 28, 2012 at 10:44 am, Luis Fernandez Sanchez said:
EL PROBLEMA DE ESTADOS UNIDOS, ES QUE CUAL QUIER, PERSONA PUEDE COMPRAR UN ARMA DE GUERRA, SIN PRESENTAR UN INFORME, SICRIATICO, O DE LA POLICÍA, EN ESPAÑA PARA CON SEGUIR UN ARMA, TIENES QUE TENER UNA LICENCIA, DE TENENCIA DE ARMAS PROPORCIONA NADA POR LA POLICÍA, CON UN CERTIFICADO DE PENALES, SI ESTAS LIMPIO TE LA DAN, PERO ANTES EL ARMERO LA TIENE QUE ENTREGAR A LA POLICÍA, EL ARMA COMPRADA PARA , REGISTRARLA, POR ESO ES MAS DIFÍCIL TENER ARMAS EN ESPAÑA, ASÍ NO HAY TENTACIONES, DAÑINAS QUE INCITEN ALA VIOLENCIA.UN SALUDO.LUIS.
August 28, 2012 at 2:32 pm, Tec Sg Beatty said:
This is America, amigo. Please speak English, por favor.
August 28, 2012 at 2:57 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
This is America Luis, you have every right to call Tec Sg Beatty a complete piece of shit in any language you wish, for we are a free country.
August 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm, Berti Jonathan said:
I'm not sure what part of America you're in but… this isn't America, it's Facebook, many non-english speaking countries have it. At least he could read the article written in your 'American' — lose the entitlement, amigo. http://www...
August 28, 2012 at 3:53 pm, Laura Chandler said:
People spoke Spanish in America before English, friend.
August 28, 2012 at 1:51 pm, Shaun Nelson said:
Weird… When Prescott Bush was trying to get General Butler to over throw FDR there weren't even any arrests.
August 28, 2012 at 2:22 pm, Rick Schwartz said:
Anyone such as Moore who falls for and repeats the media hype and distortion of what Bachman actually said has no gravitas or credibility when it comes to discussing this issue. He probably still believes in the Easter Bunny also.
August 28, 2012 at 2:26 pm, Stacy Williams said:
Hang em…. U would if they were black.
August 28, 2012 at 2:50 pm, Barry Hirsh said:
While it is unarguable that these guys jumped the shark, there is legitimate concern over a president who ignores the Constitution and skirts Congressional authority with executive orders, pro forma.
If that doesn't qualify as a "soft dictatorship", then words mean nothing.
In addition, we have a mentality in the Congress represented by former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who, when asked to indicate the constitutional authority for a proposed bill, responded, "You're kidding, right?"
The Declaration says that mankind is disposed to suffer excesses "while Evils are sufferable", but goes on to state that when a long train of abuses "evinces a Design to reduce [the people] under absolute Despotism", the people are justified in taking action.
We have not yet reached that point and such action is not justified, but there can be no argument that we are headed there unless we restore discipline and respect for the Constitution by those who comprise our federal government.
/rant
August 28, 2012 at 6:59 pm, Brad Jackson said:
One quick question, back between 2000 and 2008 were you saying the same thing?
August 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm, Barry Hirsh said:
Brad Jackson – Yes. I was, however, not delusional by believing that the Democrats are not worse. The fact is that our government has grown in illicitly accrued power since Wilson disinherited the Constitution, and both parties have contributed to this usurpation since, the Democrats by leading the effort, and the Republicans by being dragged along for the ride. The truth is, though, that the Republican Party doesn't coddle and defend communists while the Democrat party not only does, but embraces many of communism's tenets.
While I hold both parties responsible, I hold the Democrats especially so.
August 30, 2012 at 1:35 pm, Brad Jackson said:
"Communists"? Really? Cousin this isn't 1950 anymore.
Do please cite specific examples of what exactly you object to about Obama. Not broad sweeping "he's a socialist" type nonsense, provide actual executive orders, laws passed, etc please.
August 28, 2012 at 2:56 pm, Greg Johns said:
I hope thes traitors are punished with maximum sentencing.
August 29, 2012 at 12:59 am, Joe Wright said:
Greg, how about a trial first ?
August 29, 2012 at 4:55 am, Greg Johns said:
Yes, of course.
August 30, 2012 at 5:47 am, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Kinda implied, Joe.
September 15, 2012 at 2:03 pm, Raymond Mars said:
When you have a now obviously out of control government, one that has ignored us on so many issues. You have exhausted your patience because the government looks at you as a fool. You then resort to measures to make them listen. Calling them traitors is like calling Obama a Christian, which he isn't, for all of his actions speak he is a slut to Islam.
January 25, 2013 at 8:32 pm, Indiana Prepare to Take America Back said:
Traitors? I am pretty sure they wanted to eliminate the True Traitor!!
August 28, 2012 at 4:02 pm, Eriq Tactical Retreat Johnson said:
Everyone take a good look at Joseph Kerr below. This is the manner of asshole that the GOP's folksy, paranoid brand of shady 'realpolitik' snake oil attracts and relies upon. Take a nice, long look, let it sink in a bit. Would you ever want someone like that to have any real power?
Vote!
August 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm, Janice Rael said:
And this story is still not news on Google News.
August 31, 2012 at 3:02 am, Keith Marshak said:
Right. Cause there are only assholes on the right side of the fence? Are you fucking kidding me or just blind? For every Joseph Kerr I can certainly find one liberal who is just as bad.
August 28, 2012 at 5:55 pm, Roy Black said:
With the FBI's history of cooking up plots and selling them to simple minded "conspirators" so they can claim to be DOING SOMETHING I'm not convinced that this isn't another one of their "false flag" operations that got out of their control.
$87,000 sounds like a lot of guns, ammunition and "bombs" and if they were planning on robbing a bank it would be. But to take over an Army Base? So far the government's statements have mentioned 5 people, 5 people might be able to take over a small city block, for a day maybe 2 But a base? How about just a tiny bit of credibility here, could they maybe manage that? Despite the fact that Clinton, as Commander In Chief, was so afraid of his own troops that he ordered them disarmed on their own bases, These "terrorists" would still have been grossly outnumbered by just the rent-a-cops.
These idiots are still under the UCMJ and it does include the option of the death penalty. By their cold blooded murder of two people, if it can be proved, it's use is called for. If the FBI or any other federal agency is shown to have instigated this "plot" like the one to blow up an airport in NY, the responsible people there should be indited as well.
August 28, 2012 at 2:53 pm, Second Amendment and F.E.A.R.: how our constitutional rights can encourage radicals | Death and Taxes said:
[...] Pangburn 1 min agoA discussion thread on D&T Editor-In-Chief Alex Moore’s article on the F.E.AR. militia’s plans for an Obama coup d’etat inspired me to write an editorial on the Second Amendment’s effects on the militia [...]
August 29, 2012 at 12:42 pm, Ace Allen said:
HOW COME ITS NOT BEING REPORTED BY THE LIBERAL PRESS?
August 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm, The Prosser Slave Revolts « Caught Green-Handed said:
[...] Soldiers arrested for plotting assassination, coup d’etat: the problem with the 2nd Amendment (deathandtaxesmag.com) [...]
August 31, 2012 at 3:07 am, Keith Marshak said:
At some point me and my independant voting, rational thinking, non-extremist friends are going to get our collective shit together and vote both the left and the right out. We're sick and tired of this idiotic, ideologically bankrupt idiocy from fucking up our nation.
Learn to play nice in the fucking sandbox or be prepared for some private time in the corner morons.
October 02, 2012 at 9:11 am, We Live Under a Media Coup d’État « CITIZEN.BLOGGER.1984+ GUNNY.G BLOG.EMAIL said:
[...] Soldiers arrested for plotting assassination, coup d’etat: the problem with the 2nd Amendment [...]
October 21, 2012 at 1:29 am, Sergei Simonov said:
HAHAHAH! WHO TRY TO OVERTHROW GOVERNMENT WITH GARBAGE AMERICA GOAT SHIT BLACK RIFLE? MAYBE IF THEY BOUGHT GLORIOUS SOVIET ARMS THEY WOULD BE SUCCESSFULLY BECAUSE VINTOVKA MOSINA ALREADY OVERTHREW WHITE RUSSIA DOGS!