Whoa whoa, someone over at Faux News is going rogue and taking up the cause of “facts.”
There are two good pieces out this morning about Paul Ryan’s speech at the RNC last night: one is on Salon, titled “Paul Ryan’s Brazen Lies,” and one is on Fox News, called “Paul Ryan’s Speech in 3 Words.” The second one does a better job of calling out Ryan on the lies he told last night.
The first of Fox’s “3 Words” is “dazzling,” and it starts off like a typical puff piece, praising his “energy and enthusiasm” and his ability to make himself “seem likeable.”
But the next word is “deceiving,” where writer Sally Kohn lines up facts next to Ryan’s lies. Seriously—it’s a gratifying litany. You should really read the whole thing, but here are some highlights:
Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.
It’s good stuff.
Either Rupert Murdoch is making a calculated bet that the extreme distortion and lies by Ryan and his faction of the party are a turn-off to viewers and will cost him in ratings, or Fox News finally found a candidate so full of bullshit they’re drawing a line in the sand.
And that’s saying something when you’ve got Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin on staff.
Nice work, Sally Kohn. Check here for another interesting read on how Ryan’s voting record actually helped create $6.8 trillion in deficits.
UPDATE: Redditor Cranktheguy accurately points out this piece has been buried on Fox News’s site. Though it’s not posted anywhere on the home page, it is the top story in their “trending” module as of 12:52pm, 8/30/12. Nice job, internet.
August 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm, Kate Gilbert said:
Even Fox news. Wow.
August 30, 2012 at 2:19 pm, Al Clark said:
no, use your brain if you have one. wow you liberals are dumber than dirt
August 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm, Bob Bergmann said:
show us some real facts instead of slurring everyone, please
August 30, 2012 at 4:54 pm, Kate Gilbert said:
Guess you can't read
August 30, 2012 at 9:47 pm, Evan Spesard said:
Al, you're stupid and shouldn't be allowed to vote.
August 30, 2012 at 9:53 pm, Bob Bergmann said:
Just to clarify my comment was directed at Mr. Clark -
August 30, 2012 at 11:38 pm, Eli Barker said:
Seriously, can you even read? I'll tell you who is dumber than dirt.
September 12, 2012 at 11:20 am, Jorge Colon said:
This is exactly what the so called news reporters need to do more. Call every one of the politicians for every lie. I don't care if is a Republican or a Democrat. I am independent and I have to be honest here. I have voted for republicans before, but if they don't change their ways, I will never ever vote for them again. It's Obama for me again.
August 30, 2012 at 9:56 am, Paul Ryan’s speech in Tampa | Sunset Daily said:
[...] Fox News calls Paul Ryan a liar (deathandtaxesmag.com) [...]
August 30, 2012 at 2:12 pm, Jennifer Kearney said:
Even FOX NEWS is calling Ryan a liar! His camp has said they "won't be bound by fact checkers." Seriously?! Come on people!
August 30, 2012 at 2:18 pm, Al Clark said:
hello moron, It's wasn't Fox News it was a far left commentator.
August 30, 2012 at 2:26 pm, Alison Hargadine said:
I read his speech, not the summary or comments from some one else's perspective. Go to the source and agree to disagree, but let's use our own perspectives and not let the perspective of a 3rd party be our gospel. I admire a broadcast company that will publish everyone's views as opposed to only the views they believe in.
August 30, 2012 at 2:57 pm, Jennifer Kearney said:
Mr. Clark the Fox News article called his speech "deceptive". That means a lie. While you're calling everyone else names maybe you should look into things first.
August 30, 2012 at 6:08 pm, Forward Leaning said:
Dear Al, you are an idiot.
August 30, 2012 at 7:40 pm, Alex Castro said:
it doesnt matter if he's left or right or up or down. he lied. kohn checked the facts behind his accusations. just like republicans check facts when liberals accuse them. this election should be based on facts and numbers not, who can generate the most hate for the candidate.
August 30, 2012 at 7:46 pm, Don Hopkins said:
Al Clark you are an idiot to attack the messenger because you don't like the message, which is true, that Ryan lied and lied and lied in his speech. And why did he lie? Because the truth hurts, and you know it. That's why you're afraid to face the truth, and have to try to derail the argument by attacking the messenger. And what's wrong with the commentator being far left? That doesn't mean that what she has to say is false, and from your far right perspective, anyone who's not a foaming at the mouth teabagger is "far left", so your opinion is worthless, because you're a loonie.
August 30, 2012 at 7:46 pm, Fahim Imam said:
Awe, Al Clark your inflammatory comments make you uneducated.
August 30, 2012 at 7:48 pm, Fahim Imam said:
Awe, Al Clark your inflammatory comments make you uneducated.
August 30, 2012 at 7:52 pm, Fahim Imam said:
Awe, Al Clark your inflammatory comments make you sound uneducated.
August 30, 2012 at 9:36 pm, Nickolas Popovich said:
Psst- He's a troll.
August 30, 2012 at 9:46 pm, Evan Spesard said:
Al you're 100% incorrect.
August 30, 2012 at 10:26 pm, Cody Black said:
Woah I think we should calm things down a bit here. Ya it was wrong for Mr. Clark to say that because we were really hoping Romney would have been a little smarter in choosing his running mate, I don't think that Ryan was the BEST choice especially after reading this, but he could really turn out to reinforce Romney's plans, who knows, I guess we'll get there when we get there right? I just hope the best for America, and will not vote for somebody that tries to take away my second amendment rights. We all need to respect each others opinions cause it will only help us stay on the road of sanity and tolerance between our two very different political parties.
August 31, 2012 at 12:12 am, Robert Gregory Browne said:
Ms. Hargadine, when I look up at the sky and say it's green when it's clearly blue—that isn't something that's open to opinion or the slant of opposing views. The sky is blue. Period. I saw Paul Ryan's speech, and it was full of flat out lies that can be proven as lies with very little effort. The closing of the GM plant during Bush's term when Ryan claimed it was Obama's doing, is simply one of those lies.
This isn't about liberal vs. conservative vs. moderate vs. radical vs. fundamentalist vs. libertarian vs. fascist. It's about truth and fiction. And no matter WHAT your political bent, there is no denying that Paul Ryan lied his pants off several times during that speech. And anyone with integrity should call him on it—not "agree to disagree" and "use their own perspectives."
August 31, 2012 at 3:42 am, Alison Hargadine said:
Mr. Browne, I never said he did not lie. I simply was suggesting that a person read his speech and do their own legwork to make a decision. It is not may place to tell anyone what they believe is right or wrong.
And yes, I firmly believe that is is okay to agree to disagree, otherwise it can become finger pointing blame game. We must each make that choice to believe in and to adhere to, in politics. I said I admired a broadcast company that was willing to get different perspective opinions. After all is said and done Mr. Browne, I also still respect your right to be color blind.
September 01, 2012 at 4:35 am, Robert Gregory Browne said:
Ms. Hargadine, you may not have said the man didn't lie, but you did suggest we read the speech ourselves and make up our own minds. The problem with that, of course, is that you can't make up your mind about facts. You can't agree to disagree about facts. You can't choose not to believe a fact. Because facts are facts.
Now, you can certainly agree to disagree about opinions. But Ryan's speech was not about opinions, it was a litany of lies presented as truth in a blatantly cynical attempt to win votes.
September 01, 2012 at 5:20 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
if you don't agree with the Republican party's propaganda machine you're far left, forget that there are other political ideals in between, you're automatically far left.
September 01, 2012 at 5:39 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Republican logic, balance the budget while giving away tax cuts. I'm having trouble paying all these bills, oh I know I'll work less, that'll fix that.
September 01, 2012 at 5:44 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Jayvee you dumbass they just don't want to give tax cuts they also want to cut spending on government programs.
September 01, 2012 at 5:46 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Oh okay, they want to cut inefficient government programs. That would be healthcare and defense.
September 01, 2012 at 5:49 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
You fucking terrorist, if we cut defense that'll put our country in more danger! and Obamacare and medicare reform is just government take over of healthcare!
September 01, 2012 at 5:52 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Well that leaves education and environmental agencies. How is making it harder for people to graduate from college and pollution going to help Americans?
September 01, 2012 at 5:55 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Well they should stop relying on government to pick their slack, maybe go back to school or work in a factory for low low pay. We need to stay competitive with China! Also Global Warming isn't real!
September 01, 2012 at 5:59 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Well that's great but if you cut education programs people will have to pay more for college which means alot of them won't be able to afford it, and alot of these "factory" jobs had already been outsourced to cheaper countries.
September 01, 2012 at 6:02 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Uhhh…Gay Marriage is an abomination!! and if rape was REAL then you shouldn't worry about a pregnancy because your body has ways of shutting it down.
September 01, 2012 at 6:10 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Alison Hargadine here's a quote from a famous color blind person
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.” MLK
September 01, 2012 at 10:51 am, Chuck Darwin said:
Al Clark
"We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," says Neil Newhouse, a Romney pollster.
October 11, 2012 at 2:42 am, Merlin Peterson said:
I watch Fox News all the time and have never heard them say that Paul Ryan is a liar. I think maybe you do not speak the truth. With all the BS you people put out it is amazing you can stand the spell coming from you people.
August 30, 2012 at 2:18 pm, Al Clark said:
Sally Kohn far left idiot called Ryan a liar. She should join her pal David Chalian in unemployment.
August 30, 2012 at 5:59 pm, Matt Simmons said:
Well, he is a liar.
August 30, 2012 at 6:26 pm, Travis Harkleroad said:
Since you haven't actually posted any reason why she's incorrect or an idiot, I'll just go ahead and post some information.
http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?assetID=1245316529563
1) Here's is S&P's official press release about why they downgraded the US's credit rating from AAA to AA+. In the press release they specifically say "We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act." You can not argue the Republicans aren't at fault; S&P specifically says that it was because of their refusal to raise taxes that our credit was downgraded.
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/19465899.html
2) That is a local news article about the Janesville plant closing. It is dated June 2008, months before Obama was even elected.
http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperityfy2012.pdf
3) That is Paul Ryan's official "Path to Prosperity" budget. In section S-3 (page 64) Paul Ryan's budget includes the same cuts to medicare that Ryan criticizes Obama for.
This is not liberal spin. These are factual inaccuracies that you could go and check if you just take the time to google it. Calling people names does nothing to further the political discourse in this country.
August 30, 2012 at 7:19 pm, Josh Dawson said:
Have an upvote sir.
August 30, 2012 at 8:50 pm, Brad Miller said:
Obama has never lied guys.
August 30, 2012 at 9:00 pm, Jesse Jones said:
lol, that's totally a good defense.
August 31, 2012 at 2:22 am, Melissa Hastings said:
Travis Harkleroad thank you for posting this.
August 31, 2012 at 8:36 am, Sharon McNamara said:
Travis Harkleroad you are a liar, just like Sally the lesbian loudmouth http://cnsnews.com/news/article/janesville-gm-plant-closed-2009-after-obama-promised-save-it
August 31, 2012 at 1:23 pm, Melissa Hastings said:
What specific lie did Travis say? I don't see any deception. The plant closed 1 month AFTER Obama was sworn into office. "In fact, the Business Journal in Milwaukee wrote that the assembly plant shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, at the tail end of the Bush administration, a victim of the financial crisis and dwindling demand for the SUVs produced at the plant. That’s nearly one month before Obama was sworn into office."http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/
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August 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm, Scot Roberts said:
Al…..before you call people dumber than dirt you should know what you're talking about. I saw the speech and I knew when he lied because I already knew the truth, and so did most other people including Matt Lauer of the Today Show who talked about it this morning. Just because Sally Kohn wrote an article doesn't mean she's the only one who believes that.
Perhaps you should read what factcheck.org had to say about his speech so you don't look "dumber than dirt" in the future.
http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/
August 30, 2012 at 8:06 pm, Carol Ottinger said:
It's not that most of us didn't know he was lying, it's that the Fox News actually is reporting it, as well, and we know how they love to cover up the facts.
August 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm, Mitch A Palooza said:
The only place I see the words "dumber than dirt" are in your post.
August 30, 2012 at 10:05 pm, Christopher Alonzo Bright said:
It took me a while, too. A guy named Al Clark replied on Jennifer Kearney's comment, calling her a "moron." Al deserved it. Scot just didn't post it as a reply to Al.
August 30, 2012 at 10:56 pm, Rob Cunningham said:
Mitch A Palooza: "no, use your brain if you have one. wow you liberals are dumber than dirt" – Al Clark
That was said in response to another comment.
August 30, 2012 at 11:28 pm, Brock Lee said:
The real story the COWARDLY democrats will never tell you: http://youtu.be/y5OdQGbVNa4
August 31, 2012 at 12:05 am, Steve Matecka said:
ROFLLLLLLLL
Factcheck.org ur funny…really thats a good one…LMAO
August 31, 2012 at 7:28 am, Laurie Spencer said:
Yea its called fact check was worng. Just because they call it fact does not make it so. Even John King on CNN said Fact check was wrong and Ryan was right
August 31, 2012 at 2:38 pm, Scot Roberts said:
Ok…..I guess for some people it has to be spelled out. Let's use the GM plant in Wisconsin for example. Ryan said in his speech that Obama came to the plant and said he would try and keep it open and that with a little help, it could stay open for 100 years. Then he said that plant is closed today. Ok these statements are true. What he didn't say was that the plant closed in June 2008 under Bush's watch before Obama was elected. He also didn't mention that he voted for the bailout to try and save the plant which is what Obama supported.
He clearly tried to make Obama look guilty for something he didn't do nor had any control over. The other 3 or 4 things he mislead the public on in his speech were based on the same kind of misinformation. This is not a man of integrity. This may be your definition of integrity, but it's not mine. I don't like this kind of behavior from my children and I don't like it from the people in office.
For the record…..I get just as angry when the Democrats do it…..and feel free to check in to any fact checking site you like after the DNC. Chances are they will have stretched a few truths too.
I have a sneaking suspicion you know who you're going to vote for no matter what. That's fine, that's your prerogative. But please don't try and sway my definition of integrity.
September 01, 2012 at 6:14 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity.”- MLK. Simply put Ryan lied, to make Obama look bad, in order to further their ambition of becoming the most powerful people on Earth. What's the big deal right? Fucking liberal and their facts
September 01, 2012 at 6:23 am, Jayvee Cabardo Sy said:
Okay I'll play devil's advocate, the 700 billion "cut" from medicare will affect seniors because it will limit the number of providers who will accept medicare recipients. So if your doctor decide it's not worth it to keep treating you because medicare doesn't cover the cost 100% then what?
September 01, 2012 at 12:42 pm, ZiG Chad said:
"Al Clark · Top Commenter
no, use your brain if you have one. wow you liberals are dumber than dirt"
Its Called Ctrl-F … use it or youll look "Dumber than dirt" lol
August 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm, John Makuch said:
This is an opinion piece. The actual "news" article about this on Fox makes no mention of his lies.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/29/ryan-calls-for-american-turnaround-with-romney-in-lead/
August 30, 2012 at 6:24 pm, Bobby Price said:
2nd paragraph:" and one is on Fox News, called “Paul Ryan’s Speech in 3 Words" contains a hyperlink to the FOX News article – http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/, calling his speech deceptive. Explaining what he said and then the actual facts.
August 30, 2012 at 7:53 pm, John Makuch said:
Yes, that's what I meant. The article to which you linked is on opinion piece by Sally Kohn. She does liberal commentary on the Fox website and has done so for a while. The link I provided is in the actual "news" portion of the site.
August 30, 2012 at 11:34 pm, Eli Barker said:
She says actual news too. Just not the news republicans want to see or believe.
August 30, 2012 at 11:50 pm, Scot Roberts said:
John, perhaps you'll believe it from a fact checking site?
http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/
This stuff is common knowledge you know. It's surprising to most of the U.S. that Paul Ryan had the audacity to make these claims in his speech.
September 01, 2012 at 7:21 pm, John Makuch said:
Scot Roberts I didn't make myself clear, sorry. I meant that Fox is not calling out Paul Ryan in their actual "news" articles. One of their token liberals wrote an OPINION piece in their OPINION section. I agree with the opinion, no need to point me in the right direction there. Having it in an opinion/editorial that bashes Ryan is very different than saying "Fox News calls Ryan a liar."
September 01, 2012 at 8:48 pm, Scot Roberts said:
Gotcha, thanks.
August 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm, William Kershaw said:
You l"iberals are dumber than dirt!" Sally K and David C. should be in the same line with soon to be x Pres. O.H. B. it's called unemployment line and all are so far "left" it's idiotic and live their own "moonstruck world."
August 30, 2012 at 7:30 pm, Mat Gonzales said:
Thanks for that well-reasoned, measured response. Valuable insight.
August 30, 2012 at 8:26 pm, Doctor Guchins said:
hahaha PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS POLITICALLY THAN I DO ARE MORONS AND SHOULD GO JOIN A FOODSTAMP LINE WHICH I SINGLE HANDEDLY PAY FOR OUT OF MY HARD EARNED PAYCHECK WHAAAAAAAA!!!
August 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm, Patrick Hennessey said:
You need to stop using quotation marks. They aren't a replacement for bold or italics. They mean the opposite of what you intend. If I'm far "left," it really means I'm NOT left.
If you're this bad at using punctuation, I can safely assume you have no idea wtf you're talking about.
August 30, 2012 at 9:23 pm, Patrick Hennessey said:
Doctor Guchins I'm sorry the government took .004 cents out of your paycheck. That is truly a tragedy.
August 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm, Justin Rosenberg said:
I've lost faith in both sides. Some liberals, who will take any opportunity they can to bash Fox News, didn't even bother to research Sally Kohn, the author of the piece. She's clearly a liberal columnist who just happens to write for Fox News. Her thoughts and opinions on the matter do not represent Fox News as a whole. While the majority of the columnists and pundits that are employed by Fox News lean heavily to the right, they aren't all Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity.
The conservatives, on the other hand, in an attempt to tell the liberals how dumb they are for not realizing that Sally Kohn is a liberal, have completely ignored grammar, sentence structure and any semblance of coherent thought. I, for one, find it ironic that the very same people that have been failed by our education system are on board with a platform that is anti-education.
August 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm, Matt Simmons said:
Republicans aren't ignoring grammar, they never learned it in the first place.
August 30, 2012 at 8:48 pm, Brad Miller said:
Oh yeah? Well Democrats never learned how to do math.
August 30, 2012 at 8:52 pm, Matt Simmons said:
A Texan that believes in science? Hell must have frozen over.
August 30, 2012 at 8:55 pm, Brad Miller said:
…. and another internet troll is left awe-struck my by awesomeness.
August 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm, Matt Simmons said:
my by awesomeness? epic facepalm!
August 30, 2012 at 8:59 pm, Brad Miller said:
So you came here from reddit eh?
August 30, 2012 at 9:00 pm, Justin Rosenberg said:
Please stop the bickering; it's flooding my news feed. Why don't you two just "friend" each other and argue in private. Thank you.
August 30, 2012 at 9:03 pm, Brad Miller said:
Sorry Justin
August 30, 2012 at 9:03 pm, Brad Miller said:
Justin Rosenberg It's difficult
August 30, 2012 at 9:03 pm, Brad Miller said:
Justin Rosenberg to click
August 30, 2012 at 9:03 pm, Brad Miller said:
Justin Rosenberg *UNFOLLOW POST*
August 30, 2012 at 9:05 pm, Brad Miller said:
Justin Rosenberg I intended to defend your post, but I got trolled by Matt instead. I apologize that we have flooded your online social networking website with notifications. We gave you a false sense of popularity that you couldn't handle..
August 30, 2012 at 9:06 pm, Matt Simmons said:
Hah sorry Justin, I just couldn't resist making an ass out of this shitheel goat roper. I'm done now.
August 30, 2012 at 9:15 pm, Brad Miller said:
Did you win?
August 30, 2012 at 11:18 pm, Rick Parks said:
Oh burn, Brad. You haven't read much about the Ryan budget, have you?
August 31, 2012 at 3:47 am, Dan Scanlan said:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/80-year-study-democrats-better-at-economics/article/2505194#.UEAzlUJ97zI there ya go some read"n material.
September 01, 2012 at 8:06 am, Jordan Lam said:
Hahaha, you obviously didnt bother to research sally kohn either, because he's a guy…
September 01, 2012 at 4:42 pm, Brad Miller said:
Burn? How? I didn't say anything about the Ryan budget, or Ryan in general. I simply said an ignorant statement in reply to Matt's ignorant statement. You haven't read much of the above comments have you? Burn
September 04, 2012 at 3:34 am, Brandon Germanotta Neth said:
Your republican was the one who confused a – and a + sign. Not ours.
April 14, 2013 at 10:40 pm, Jim Thompson said:
One would think that as a young man studying math at university, Mr. Miller would understand that party affiliation has no bearing on one's math skills.
August 30, 2012 at 6:36 pm, Georgia Wiley said:
THIS…from Fox? Whoa….
August 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm, Mary Sue Gantt said:
I believe this person KOHN is a fat person I once met at a special meeting (remain anon.) So evidentily when Obama was elected president she is another one of the msnbc folk that had something running down their legs and hers hasn't gotten to her feet yet.so goes life, she will get fired.
August 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm, Matt Simmons said:
This doesn't even make sense, did it hurt your last brain cell typing that?
August 30, 2012 at 7:29 pm, Mat Gonzales said:
Is there a coherent thought in there somewhere "Mary Sue"?
August 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm, Adam Fry said:
Yeah, that's some sick shit, Mary. Why don't you explain what you mean. I really don't get it.
August 30, 2012 at 7:39 pm, Mary Sue Gantt said:
i did not write it to you so forget it
August 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm, Joel Rothman said:
There are a lot of comments here from right wingers, basically condemning Sally Kohn. Agree or disagree with her, call her a "far left idiot" or whatever, I think you are missing the point of the article. It is interesting to see an article on Fox News that slams a republican (even if it's in the Opinions section).
August 30, 2012 at 8:01 pm, Chris Coldiron said:
I would just like to point out the following quote from Kohn's website.
"Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan’s GOP convention speech last night. So I did. I described it in three words: Dazzling, Deceiving and Distracting."
A lot of you are saying this "Wasn't Fox News", but it seems to me that fox wanted to at least hear from the other side. I would be surprised if she lost her job as a result of this piece (I do not claim to know her other works).
I actually think it's quite sad that that a news organization is widely known for being Bias and that that is just accepted. Some Democrats are trying to give Fox a "Pat on the back" for exposing facts that reveal a Republican to be a liar while Some Republicans ignore those same facts and only want to mention that the article was written by a democrat.
All in all just sad…
August 30, 2012 at 11:03 pm, Schuyler Bisbee said:
I mean there are facts of the case and then there are interpretations. These appear to be facts of the case, regardless of how you look at them. I myself was familiar with many of these issues before this commentary, especially the debt ceiling, and if you have any doubts, google the S&P release downgrading the US debt. They list the reason for the downgrade, and it is blamed on republican obstructionism. The Auto bailouts aren't even debatable because either they concern what the president either provably did or did not do and have noting to do with cause and effect.
September 02, 2012 at 9:55 pm, Bill Green said:
She doesn't get paid by FOX. They might not ask her to return, but they surely give her no money.
August 30, 2012 at 8:45 pm, Brad Miller said:
Obama has never lied guys.
August 30, 2012 at 10:23 pm, Ryan Zimmerman said:
He probably has lied. Doesn't mean that blatantly lying so much though is a good thing. I understand that you insist on repeating "Obama has never lied" over and over like it actually means something, most politicians do lie. It's all about context though, in this context Paul Ryan screwed up with easily fact checked lies from his own mouth.
October 24, 2012 at 11:02 am, Rip Mark said:
He's lied. Everyone has but not on the scale that the Republicans have. Your presidential candidate can't say the same thing twice, regardless of the topic and Ryan lies everytime he speaks. Obama will win Wisconsin, Michigan and Massachusetts!!! That's how silly Conservatives are. You put ahead of class 2 guys whose own home states don't want them. Nice going!
October 24, 2012 at 2:01 pm, Brad Miller said:
Sorry. I had a long typed out response for you. But I deleted it because in the past couple of months trying to argue with liberals on the internet (especially reddit- you should go there if you haven't yet. You'd love it) I get nowhere. It's pointless to even try- because most of you (not singling you out by any means, you actually might be an intelligent individual- just not politically intelligent) are just blindly riding the change-train and don't even want to hold a conversation. They would rather just circle-jerk with their confused friends on the internet with no opposition. AND THAT'S FINE because this is America! That's what's great!
You should definitely check out http://www.reddit.com/r/politics though
Also check out my website http://www.link4later.com
Have a pleasant day.
October 24, 2012 at 5:29 pm, Ryan Zimmerman said:
Brad Miller Except the part where I don't like /r/politics because it is nothing more then a circle jerk over Obama where no actual discussion, similar to what you are trying to achieve with Romney. I would love to hold a discussion, the problem being is that well, it's kind of pointless since people seem more intent on looking at party lines rather then actual positions. Implying that a person is not politically intelligent because they don't support a person who can't tell the truth about their own positions is well, childish.
August 30, 2012 at 9:02 pm, Andrew Obrigewitsch said:
This is why they changed their tune, a little:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2012/08/murdoch-bombshell-media-is-ignoring.html
August 30, 2012 at 9:38 pm, Stewart Grant said:
FACT: The credit rating went down under obama.
FACT: It closed in 2009 under obama.. don't feel bad, all the fact checkers blew this one.
FACT: Obama took the money from Medicare did he not?
No lies… just facts. I'd take the time to list obama's lies but it would take pages and kool aid drinking liberals ok with trillion dollar deficits don't really hear well anyway…
August 30, 2012 at 10:11 pm, Brandon Johnson said:
Haha you've go to be trolling. There's no way a person can be confronted with so much factual evidence and still speak to the contrary.
August 30, 2012 at 10:33 pm, Stewart Grant said:
Here.. educate yourself on just one thing today
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/
August 30, 2012 at 10:34 pm, Andrew Noble Soep said:
Stewart! Stewart my friend, my fellow human being. Do you read what harmful words you write? Can I ask, where did you learn to argue? Because to me, it strikes me that your oratory skills were gleaned in kindergarten. A kindergartner might approach a class mate and call them a poop face, or a doodie head, and that sufficed as a response during a moment of conflict.
We're adults now (some more than others) and in the adult world, we make our points with factual information, well thought out arguments, and decency towards other human beings. Why is that so hard for those with a conservative slant to adhere to those tenants? Since this conversation thread hasn't extended too long, it provides some perfect evidence:
Jennifer makes the comment that the Romney camp insists they will not adhere to fact checkers. Al Clark responds by calling her a moron.
Kate exclaims her surprise that even Fox news called out Paul Ryan, Al Clark repsonds by claiming she isn't using her brain, and she's "dumber than dirt".
And then comes your brilliant commentary, factually misproven by countless sources over the past 24 hours. To top it all off, you then insinuate that "liberals" drink "kool aid" (another term for being brain washed) which implies that you have a large enough sample size to prove that people who subscribe to the liberal philosophy, are in fact, brainwashed. Somehow this all leads to a comment on the deficit as well, but I don't see the correlation.
Now Stewart, you are a world traveler (as shown by your profile photo of you standing in one of the liberal countries that you hold so much animosity against), and a fan of the Big Bang Theory, which means you can't be all that bad. So I ask you, why not take some time to make an actual logical, sound response to this post, as opposed to just coasting along without actually letting those beautiful neurons fire in your head?
The brain is a beautiful thing, why let it go to waste? So come on, throw down some of the "lies" that Barack Obama has told, give us some actual truths in your comments (the plant in Wisconsin shut down while Bush was still President, even Ryan said that in his speech!), and the credit rating went down during Obama's tenure because the Republicans refused to vote to raise the debt ceiling!
See, it's not so hard! You can think for yourself, the internet is an expanse of knowledge ripe for your taking!
Or you can continue to make low-brow comments on here. But hey, no one stops monkeys from standing around and flinging their poo at the zoo, so I guess you're free to do what you want.
August 30, 2012 at 10:41 pm, Stewart Grant said:
Andrew Noble Soep see my link I provided.. after you pull your foot out of your mouth, I'll show you where else you are wrong…
August 30, 2012 at 10:50 pm, Scott Bader said:
Stewart… please check this out.
Credit rating was downgraded by the S&P because (and I quote their official statement) "the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act." Blaming Obama for this is like getting angry at your own kid for the neighbors dog taking a shit on your lawn at 3am.
With regards to the factory closing under Obama… that's like expecting a rental car agency to take responsibility for a hit-and-run you committed while driving their car. The factory was already set to close before Obama had entered office. Please explain how that is his fault?
As for your remark about Obama taking money from Medicare… those spending reductions affect insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries, and take place over the next 10 years. This law makes it so that future health care costs can be maintained for baby boomers SUCH AS YOURSELF otherwise the system would be overwhelmed. Or maybe instead you would prefer to pay more taxes… or rely on heavier taxes being levied against younger generations such as myself… but then who would be the moochers? Oh yea, and what's with Ryan's proposed plan actually incorporating the SAME cuts?
As for the deficit, if you actually care about purported reasons, you should check out the Congressional Budget Office's explanation for the shift to a massive deficit between 2002 and 2011… it can be read here: http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463
On a tangent, I can't believe that there are so many commentors remarking 'well of course she pointed out his lies, she's a liberal writer…' Why should her political persuasion negate anything she said?
August 30, 2012 at 11:01 pm, Stewart Grant said:
Scott Bader spinning won't change the facts and it is hilarious that you folks continue to think it does. The credit rating went down under obama. The plant closed after he promised to keep it open, and taking projected savings under medicare and applying it to obamacare is taking from medicare. Those are simply FACTS.. if you want to expand on the comments then be my guest but they aren't lies… simply FACTS that ya"ll dont like
August 30, 2012 at 11:15 pm, Scott Bader said:
How can you say it's a spin? I provided you an exact explanatory quote from the index that downgraded our credit rating, as well as a link to the CBO's analysis of our debt. With regards to the factory closing when Obama was President, I could also say that I was sleeping when 9/11 happened… that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for 9/11 because I was sleeping. Correlation does not equal causation. The factory closure did occur under Obama, you are right, that is a fact. You know what else is a fact? That the decision to close that factory is not Obama's call… it's GM's… the company who owns and runs it? Are you implying you want to see more government intervention? If Obama did in fact promise to keep it open that was clearly a gaff on his part… but how does that in anyway make Ryan's statement fact? You made this statement about drinking liberal kool-aid, but your unwillingness to think critically about these facts of yours makes me think your the kool-aid drinker… of course, its a different flavor.
August 30, 2012 at 11:29 pm, Stewart Grant said:
lol in my original post, I said they were facts and they were. If you want to claim that the credit downgrade wasn't obama's fault and the closing wasn't obama;s fault, and the talking of medicare funds really isn't taking it, and that trillions in defictis aren't his fault .. etc ad nauseum… be my guest. I've come to learn that where obama supporters are concerned, he is "the one" and nothing is his fault. Let me lay another fact on you… if he is re-elected.. you will get more of the same of the past four years.. you will say its not his fault because you hold him responsible for nothing Someone said the definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect a different result. Thus, those who vote for obama again, are by defition, well.. you figure it out
August 30, 2012 at 11:42 pm, Andrew Noble Soep said:
@ScottBader – He can say it's spin because he's "drinking the kool aid".
I don't ever want to claim to speak with overwhelming evidence (as I am not a scientist, nor a statistician, nor do I have a sample size) but I would say that the vast majority of the conservative posters I have seen on these Facebook comment sections, and other comment sections (Breitbart etc) drink the proverbial kool-aid that they tell "liberals" that they drink.
Where "liberals" post thoughtful, factual, evidence based comments in these discussions, it is literally almost verbatim dialog from people like Stewart. It consists of:
1. Making an inflammatory comment, insulting the President, or another poster.
2. Referring to the President as "Barry" or "The One", or some play on Obama or Barack, in hopes of taking him down.
3. Literally ignoring anything that another person says, and continually harping on the point of topic, or some completely unrelated topic that they either are upset about or heard on a show like Rush Limbaugh/Michael Savage or Bill O'Reilly.
Re-read Stewarts last post, it's literally verbatim a mixture of what I said above. If I had time, or really cared, I would search out stories that were linked to by Matt Drudge, and compile proof. Replace Stewart Grant with Al Clark, or William Kershaw from above – they are literally the same person on here, and on countless other websites. I sometimes wonder if there is a botnet out there that just jumbles up a collection of grammatically poor sentences, and posts them on any topic that is positive towards the President, or a liberal cause.
Just watch, if he responds to me or another poster, it will be a variation of his last post, or an insult.
It's scary how brainwashed much some people in this country are, both on the left and right, especially in this day and age with so many resources to educate ourselves on what is going on in the world.
August 31, 2012 at 1:13 am, Brandon Johnson said:
Stewart Grant So i educated myself and read that whole article you linked to me. So my understanding is that in 2008 the plant was slated to be shut down. President Obama said something along the lines of "I'm not going to let it get shut down, I promise." So I could see how many people would look at President Obama as the guilty party when that plant was finally closed in 2009. He made a promise to keep it open, and it got shut down.
However Stewart I don't believe this would be the first time a President has failed to follow through on every one of his campaign promises. Even I admit to breaking a promise every now and then as I'm sure most people would, probably including yourself Stewart. I'm sure if you look through history at Presidents, both Democratic and Republican you can find where they failed on their campaigning promises.
But thats besides the point. What we have to do is use the brain evolution gave us and remember that hardly anything in this world is black and white. To say A caused B you have to have some pretty strong evidence. I'd hardly say a broken promise is enough to say it was the Presidents fault. I'm sure the owners of the manufacturing plant had some say, as well as decisions made in Congress that could have very well effected the plant. Not to mention things change in a Presidency from the campaign until a person gets into office.
Now did the President have some effect on the plant closure? Sure, I mean he is the President. However we have to remember that the President doesn't directly control private industries. He can effect legislation, that is if the Congress he is working with doesn't oppose him at every turn, but how much blame can we really put on him.
Finally, I think the comment that shot up the biggest red flag about this article you linked me was when the dipped into conspiracy theory. I quote "Now why would Obama choose to close the only plant he had actively “suggested” he’d keep open? Could it possibly have something to do with the fact that it was in Ryan’s (Republican) hometown? Just askin…" I mean come on Stewart, you should know when people are trying to pander to your beliefs in order for you to believe something. Do you really think President Obama had any idea that Ryan was going to be running for office four years later? Or that he was trying to stick it to Republicans? If anything saving that plant would have gotten him more votes come re-election. Again Stewart, use the brain evolution gave you and think critically with it!
September 01, 2012 at 7:16 am, Elaine Haapanen said:
You took absolutely no time researching your facts. GM announced during the annual shareholder meeting that on June 3, 2008, that the Janesville assembly plant would close by 2010. The plant was open in 2009, but only so about 60 employees could continue assembly work until April, to complete the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership. And an additional 40 to 50 employees worked to decommission the plant.
August 30, 2012 at 5:46 pm, वसुधैव कुटुंबकम – Paul Ryan: So I lie, so sue me said:
[...] Fox News calls Paul Ryan a liar | Death and Taxes http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/…/fox-news-calls-paul-ryan-a-lia…; [...]
August 30, 2012 at 9:46 pm, Justin Salter said:
Most republicans believe in talking snakes and the virgin birth. So don't hold them responsible for not understanding that Romney is a complete waste of a vote. After all, they blindly follow what they are told.
August 30, 2012 at 9:50 pm, Evan Spesard said:
Oddly enough, I never used that perspective. I feel less agitated and just feel bad for them now.
August 31, 2012 at 2:49 pm, Steve Matecka said:
You do realize, that most of the democratic base, which are blacks, are very religious and believe in just the same things right?
October 24, 2012 at 10:36 am, Rip Mark said:
I agree, Justin and regardless of what the Democratic base is dominated by, the percentage of blacks that vote isn't very large, sadly. I'd point out, tho, Democrats don't use Religion to get votes. That's a huge part of the Republican game. This is supposed to be a free country but Republicans spend a lot of time denying liberties because of the Bible? Homosexuality and abortion are individual person issues, or should be in my opinion
August 30, 2012 at 10:19 pm, Mobi Mktg said:
As I watched that Ryan speech – I was dumbfounded by one fact – this guy used to be a speech writer? And the other fact – that the people in the audience were cheering, and not saying, hey – wait a minute…didn't he vote for all that stuff?
August 30, 2012 at 10:48 pm, Dan Scanlan said:
You still have a long road ahead FOX, that you may not Actualy travel on but this! Good job sirs (starts slow clap)
August 30, 2012 at 11:06 pm, Gene Chambers said:
You know the contributing writer is a liberal right? Not to mention most people don't know that Rupert Murdoch is a lib himself. He just knows people can only handle so much hate so he started fox news.
August 31, 2012 at 12:44 am, Dan Scanlan said:
So the strategy was turn your foe into an ally and give them a nationwide stage.
August 31, 2012 at 3:18 am, Mary Martin Emeric said:
As a Wisconsin gal, the reference to the closing of the GM plant, which actually happened when George Bush was president, really made me sad.
August 31, 2012 at 3:32 am, Gene Chambers said:
The decision to close was made in 2008 the plant didn't actually close till 2009.
August 31, 2012 at 3:34 am, Gene Chambers said:
Murdoch is just a smart business man and knew where the money is. Besides what's wrong with fox news?
August 31, 2012 at 3:36 am, Dan Scanlan said:
if you have to ask the question theres nothing I could say to make you see what is wrong with fox news.
August 31, 2012 at 3:41 am, Dan Scanlan said:
it dosnt change the fact that he LIED!
August 31, 2012 at 10:11 am, Gene Chambers said:
After reading a few factcheck sites no he didn't. Still what's wrong with fox news?
August 31, 2012 at 12:37 pm, Dan Scanlan said:
im done, im not going to waste any time posting links to why FOX sucks not only for political reasons mind you, and your denial of the whirlwind of lies spewed by Ryan. I can go online and find sites that support that bigfoot is real and lives in the Rockies, but it dosnt make it so. If you truly believe he is not lying there is absolutely nothing left for us to discuss.
August 31, 2012 at 1:02 pm, Gene Chambers said:
One could say your denying that he told the truth. As far as fox goes the only sites I can find that says they lie are left wing blog site such as the daily kos who will you their own site to back up the lie they are perpetrating. No denying that there are those on fox that are conservative but they were hired to give their opinion. Tell me you think Rachel madcow is fair and objective. Chris Mathew racist in chief he is definitely fair.
August 30, 2012 at 11:36 pm, Denise Grainger Swope said:
I know politicians lie but damn.
August 31, 2012 at 4:06 am, Tom Swope said:
God Bless America! Thank you Lord for the freedom to make mistakes and not be persecuted. I thank you that everyone in this country has never said anything wrong. I thank you that every politician, teacher, business person, lawyer, tradeperson, and laborer always are forgiven and spoken well of.
August 31, 2012 at 8:13 pm, Denise Grainger Swope said:
Getting your facts wrong or making mistakes happens to everyone. But when someone points out the mistakes and you keep saying it, that's a lie.
August 30, 2012 at 11:53 pm, Richie Martin said:
Do any of you realize that if we weren't doing this on the internet, we would be shouting insults at each other like a bunch of children on the playground. You're all pitiful. Can't even have a real discussion.
All the libs here want to talk about is, "HERP DERP Fox News sucks, they lie all the time, blah blah blah." Okay, great. We f***ing get it, Fox News sucks. I seem to remember somebody from your party telling me that before at some point. Oh and the name calling? First rate, well done everybody.
All you Republicans here, juuuust so you know, you look like a huge asshole when you come here and attack the article, as well as the commenters but make no effort at all to deny the charges that have been brought up against Paul Ryan. If you want to defend him that's fine, but you defend him but using evidence and logic. You all have instead decided to kind of just take the same generic stance the Libs did, calling names, making fools of yourself.
Just because somebody is of a different thought process, that does not make their claims invalid. Deal with reality. As of this point in time, no party does that. We all play this game where we pretend that
ur side" is the only one that matters. Fucking grow up, children.
August 30, 2012 at 11:55 pm, Anthony Gibson said:
and this is why we will be stuck in a two party system forever.
August 30, 2012 at 11:57 pm, Nick Preuss said:
and this is why the government needs to be dissolved
August 31, 2012 at 12:00 am, Donny Te said:
I like Chicken
August 31, 2012 at 12:04 am, Jared Wicklund said:
I'll never understand how people can have blind idealization of a political party. Think critically, don't act like your party is bulletproof.
August 31, 2012 at 12:05 am, Anthony Gibson said:
Is because people take a vast emotional investment into their lies, so they feel like if who they voted for was wrong, then they are wrong. Most people cant admit fault.
August 31, 2012 at 12:08 am, Richie Martin said:
I like tacos.
August 31, 2012 at 12:11 am, Evan Johnson said:
Hi
August 31, 2012 at 12:13 am, Anthony Gibson said:
I like chicken tacos.
August 31, 2012 at 12:31 am, Anthony Lopez said:
chick-fil-a
August 31, 2012 at 12:36 am, Seth Alexander Malachowsky said:
Can we form a party around the ideology of chicken tacos?
August 31, 2012 at 6:02 am, Carol Ottinger said:
I guess the Truth-o-Meter, Fact Finders and those must all be liars, too, huh?
August 31, 2012 at 6:13 am, Jayson Jacobsen said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNo0BicRM8k
August 31, 2012 at 6:50 am, Skyler J Nelson said:
99.9% of the time the real facts are hidden under the MOUNTAINS OF BULL SHIT both parties write. Even if we find something that looks decent, half of it is up to opinion.
August 31, 2012 at 2:48 pm, Steve Matecka said:
They don't "defend them" because it would be like me calling you a pedophile…PROVE that I'm wrong..
I have stated you look at child porn…
well, prove to me, defend yourself, show me that you do not do such a thing..
Exactly, you see the problem here.
August 31, 2012 at 6:11 pm, Gianni West said:
I wonder how many people we could have feed or how many extra curricular activities we could have brought back for at least this year with the money they both used on Negative Advertising against the other party… I bet the numbers are staggering. Fuck Living Under Both Frat "Parties" and Let's Live as what we were intended to be, an Independent Nation!! …RON PAUL 2012!!!
September 01, 2012 at 10:56 am, Chuck Darwin said:
The Democratic party comes in around a 5 on a scale of 1-10. Republicans are about a NEGATIVE 3.
September 01, 2012 at 2:24 pm, Justin Ardoin said:
Are you serious? The man did lie. Here is where I lose respect for most people on the right. Facts are numbers and history. They are not open to slant. Things either did or did not happen as they are stated, and unfortunately for Ryan its well documented public record that things did not happen as he says they did. He lied, blatantly. He is banking on ignorance to get elected with speeches like this, and from posts like this and Mr. Clarks its obvious he is making the right bet. Facts be damned, youre going to try to railroad them in regardless of the truth. It shames me we are from the same country, you make us all look like idiots. You know you're being lied to, but you're too staunch of a republican to admit it.
October 29, 2012 at 3:45 am, Randy Talbert said:
Ritchie, if you go back and check comments on ANY of these issues, 99% of the time, it's the Republican conservatives who just about ALWAYS start with the name calling and cussing of people. Check, and you'll see i'm right.
August 31, 2012 at 12:01 am, Jacklyn Castillo- Harris said:
WoW
August 30, 2012 at 8:15 pm, Paul Ryan’s Speech Was So Misleading . . . « Quantum Meruit said:
[...] Many outlets are reporting on Fox’s unusual step of criticizing a Republican. That in itself is news. While Rush and Sean Hannity like to joke that MSNBC is to the Democratic Party (or as they refer to it, the “Democrat” party), what Democrats claim Fox News is to the Republican Party, only Fox News has been caught — multiple times — receiving and then repeating, verbatim, RNC talking points. [...]
August 30, 2012 at 8:35 pm, Fox News - Paul Ryan's speech in 3 words: "Dazzling", "Deceiving", and "Distracting" - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum said:
[...] Fox News calls Paul Ryan a liar | Death and Taxes Whoa whoa, someone over at Faux News is going rogue and taking up the cause of “facts.” There are two good pieces out this morning about Paul Ryan’s speech at the RNC last night: one is on Salon, titled “Paul Ryan’s Brazen Lies,” and one is on Fox News, called “Paul Ryan’s Speech in 3 Words.” The second one does a better job of calling out Ryan on the lies he told last night. The first of Fox’s “3 Words” is “dazzling,” and it starts off like a typical puff piece, praising his “energy and enthusiasm” and his ability to make himself “seem likeable.” But the next word is “deceiving,” where writer Sally Kohn lines up facts next to Ryan’s lies. Seriously—it’s a gratifying litany. You should really read the whole thing, but here are some highlights: Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling. Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing. Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan. It’s good stuff. Either Rupert Murdoch is making a calculated bet that the extreme distortion and lies by Ryan and his faction of the party are a turn-off to viewers and will cost him in ratings, or Fox News finally found a candidate so full of bullshit they’re drawing a line in the sand. And that’s saying something when you’ve got Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin on staff. Nice work, Sally Kohn. Check here for another interesting read on how Ryan’s voting record actually helped create $6.8 trillion in deficits. UPDATE: Redditor Cranktheguy accurately points out this piece has been buried on Fox News’s site. Though it’s not posted anywhere on the home page, it is the top story in their “trending” module as of 12:52pm, 8/30/12. Nice job, internet. __________________ I would rather vote for a vicous midget that was attacking me with a golf putter dressed ina clown outfit than vote for Rmoney… Obama isn't the best person to be president… but Romney is so far out of touch he had to bring Paul Ryan on to jack him off. GA_googleFillSlot("usmb-728×90-bottom"); [...]
August 30, 2012 at 9:04 pm, How Paul Ryan gets away with BS – Salon.com « Ye Olde Soapbox said:
[...] Fox News calls Paul Ryan a liar (deathandtaxesmag.com) [...]
August 31, 2012 at 2:50 am, David Morse said:
You're a wise, wise man, Al Clark ★ Top Commenter. And by wise, I mean bilious.
August 31, 2012 at 3:43 am, Judy Lawrence Byrd said:
Paul Ryan is a hack and a liar. In any other country he would have been exiled for treason. The republicans make him their number two guy.
August 31, 2012 at 3:51 am, Eunis Benecke said:
You go, Judy!!!
August 31, 2012 at 3:55 am, Ruth Groves Evans said:
I think he is a GREAT american!!!
August 31, 2012 at 4:00 am, John Byrd said:
Judy, you must have been hacked…I can't believe you would say this about a great American.
August 31, 2012 at 12:43 pm, Bob Dandridge said:
Isn't America great?????? Of course, by saying that, you must believe Obummer and Holder are the greatest things since sliced bread!
August 31, 2012 at 2:49 pm, Steve Matecka said:
What exactly did he do that would exile him for treason?
August 31, 2012 at 3:03 pm, Dennis Jette said:
"I would just like to say something, ladies and gentlemen. Something that I think is very important. It is that, you, we — we own this country.We — we own it. It is not you owning it, and not politicians owning it. Politicians are employees of ours.
And — so — they are just going to come around and beg for votes every few years. It is the same old deal. But I just think it is important that you realize , that you're the best in the world. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican or whether you're libertarian or whatever, you are the best. And we should not ever forget that. And when somebody does not do the job, we got to let them go."
Clint Eastwood
September 01, 2012 at 12:36 am, Leonotia Miller said:
Obama is the traitor!!!
August 31, 2012 at 4:07 am, John Bona said:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fact-checking-the-fact-checkers-heres-a-break-down-of-the-claims-bashing-paul-ryans-speech/
October 24, 2012 at 10:53 am, Rip Mark said:
The Blaze is a Republican site, rite? Oh, Seriously John? I'm from Wisconsin so I know Ryan is a BIG TIME liar. What I don't understand is why Romney chose Ryan. Democrats win Janesville, usually. I hope he didn't take Ryan hoping it would give him pull in Wisconsin.
August 31, 2012 at 4:08 am, Michael Hernandez said:
Paul Ryan's indisputable use of fabrication and purely disingenuous use of his RNC pulpit in a brazen attempt to create a false and manipulative narrative is a level of cynicism I have have never seen on the national stage. I do not understand how the Republicans have become so cynical in their attempt to gain the presidency, that completely obvious fabrications have become the norm of their election strategy- and it could not be any more divisive in that Ryan's core attempt is not only dismissive of common sense, it is utterly contemptuous towards reasonable thought. Where did all the reasonable Republicans go? Have they been crushed underneath the shear weight of the extremists they ushered in during 2010? That out-right-in-your-face lies are now the signature rally call for political action for them these days? Wow….Just Wow.
August 31, 2012 at 6:20 am, Jimmy Snyder said:
Then Ann Romney spoke and everyone's ears started to bleed….
August 31, 2012 at 6:26 am, Danice Crawford said:
Well said. It's almost unbelievable. We need to be acutely aware of who is targeted by such harmful extremism, and take appropriate measures.
August 31, 2012 at 8:38 am, Jessica Evans said:
word.
August 31, 2012 at 5:13 am, Mitt Romney tells 533 documented lies in 30 weeks! Crazy! UPDATED With MORE Lies! | Unitedpeople's Blog (www.clearandgraphic.com) said:
[...] Fox News Calls Paul Ryan A Liar! [...]
August 31, 2012 at 12:59 pm, Matt Miller said:
The damage is already done because how many thousands of people are impressed and voting a certain way because of the baloney. I bet only a few percent of people actually noticed or will notice the deception.
August 31, 2012 at 3:45 pm, Erica Litzner said:
"Someone over at Faux News has gone rogue and taken up the cause of facts," pointing out that Paul Ryan straight up lied during his speech at RNC.
September 01, 2012 at 1:44 pm, Paul Ryan a Compulsive Liar « Political Nutz said:
[...] Fox News calls Paul Ryan a liar (deathandtaxesmag.com) [...]
September 02, 2012 at 6:52 am, Mindy Rodriguez said:
Be careful….if the president had done a good job he would be able to stand on his own merits…but he spent his time and energy doing just what he wanted and he ignored the American people…There would not have been 1 1/2 million marchers on 9/9/2009 if obamacare was really okay for us…we read it…it takes away independence…and he worked only on the badcare bill…while millions and millions of Americans were out of work….the stimulus money only went to union companies and the banks…the president had to give money to the banks as he was one of those activitists that forced bankis to give sub loans which has cause the housing crisis…it goes on and on…we have been researching the last four years and will be printing data daily…just to remind everyone of what this president has done and it is not a good list.
September 02, 2012 at 10:53 am, The Blog for WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com » Conservative Christians Are Liars said:
[...] Fox News calls Paul Ryan a liar [...]
September 04, 2012 at 3:01 pm, Obama’s Dunkirk moment « The Reality-Based Community said:
[...] and Nate Silver agree; so it seems do such conservatives as David Cameron and Boris Johnson; even Rupert Murdoch is unenthusiastic about the GOP slate. So does common sense, weighing Obama’s [...]
September 05, 2012 at 2:32 pm, Apparently one of Democrats’ biggest lies last night was not talking about how much they’ve shrunk government | Death and Taxes said:
[...] Moore 1 min agoWith the RNC just finished, having generated some of its biggest headlines for the pants-on-fire whoppers told by VP candidate Paul Ryan, last night’s first high-profile night at the DNC is being [...]
October 08, 2012 at 2:31 pm, Trick or treat: Paul Ryan sends Obama’s birth certificate to supporters | Death and Taxes said:
[...] or treat: Paul Ryan sends Obama’s birth certificate to supporters By Alex Moore 1 min agoPaul Ryan hit Birthers with an early Halloween this year—and he totally opted for the trick rather than the [...]
October 11, 2012 at 6:00 pm, Irish Bar Brawl: Biden vs Ryan in the Veep Debate Tonight - Jack & Jill Politics said:
[...] Now is the time to go for the jugular (so to speak – not really Joe) and show Ryan for the cold craven liar that he is, and that’s according to Fox News, no less. Just don’t hurt em too bad Hammer.I was on Huffington Post Live earlier today discussing [...]
February 19, 2013 at 2:03 am, Roger Riutta said:
Hilarious